Tomb stoning Dorset, why??

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Just catching up on news from weekend.

Read with horror the story from Dorset doors on Saturday. Three people injured tomb stoning, helicopters landing on beach, people squashed up like sardines.

So ok, it's done, awful but done.

Then I click on next link, yesterday, people still doing it, despite the events the day before. The police have asked them not to, the emergency services have out out a statement asking them not to, the roads have been closed, yet people are still jumping.

The landowner says he has given up fencing it as people just break the fences, climb over.

I just do not get it. Even without corona I couldn't go against all that advice and do something which emergency services had warned against.

Add in corona and the social distancing it is absolutely mind boggling.

Am I missing something? Does it just take a certain type of person to defy everyone and carry on as they please. Even if it had been one casualty but three, plus someone with a broken ankle. Crazy.

This is the thing, if you knew someone had broken their back jumping 2 days before, why would you then do it.

That sign detailing the injuries might work, maybe highlighting the fact that if one brave soul hadn’t risked their own life swimming down to the seabed and drag the injured person out of the water and other bystanders knew CPR that person might not be alive. There might not be such willing/knowledgeable bystanders the day they jump.

One surfboard eater risked his life saving one of the men.

And people on the beach gave them COR. In the middle of a pandemic! They don't deserve such kindness, because they are stupid, selfish, thoughtless, entitled dickheads.

Surfboarder! Jeez.

Gah - CPR.

There’s something in the brains of some young men that craves risk. It doesn’t stand up to any examination.

Darwinism is to do with evolution. Doing shit like this could result in three things:

1. Survive without injury
2. Survive with life changing injuries
3. Darwin Award

Deserving to die is a strong term. However, if you take a risk and either option 2 or 3 are the result of choosing to take said risk then you can't be surprised people shrug their shoulders and fail to empathise.

I really don't feel sorry for them. They did something so stupid they put a lot of people at risk, not to mention their own lives.

That's Darwinism in action. Knowingly and consciously risking your life.

I really don't feel sorry for them. They did something so stupid they put a lot of people at risk, not to mention their own lives.

I think today they may agree with you and your harsh appraisal that is coupled with a complete lack of sympathy, and possibly for the rest of their lives given how severe their injuries are.
As I said earlier, it must be lovely to go through life so utterly perfect you can be devoid of any shred of humanity towards someone who is now suffering, even though it was completely through their own doing.

stupid is as stupid does
a bloke jumped off the wall in Torquay misjudged the depth of water
now in hospital with head injuries

No sympathy at all - they are all complete idiots. If it deters one person from doing the same thing, then good.

Like a pp I viewed footage of this on YouTube (which I know probably makes me as bad as the people who recorded and posted it).
There is footage of the CPR being given - not close up, from a (slight) distance.
Then the Air Ambulance lands and several people clustered on the beach clap. I couldn’t help but think, are some of you clapping the Air Ambulance the same ones that clapped when he jumped?

As I said earlier, it must be lovely to go through life so utterly perfect you can be devoid of any shred of humanity towards someone who is now suffering

I'll save my humanity for the person suffering a heart attack or a car crash who didn't get the air ambulance support they so desperately needed. I'll save my humanity for the people who risked their lives to save these idiots. I'll save my humanity for the family who have to carry the burden of potentially life long care. I'll save my humanity for all the emergency services who had to attend this scene. I'll save my humanity for the NHS staff who are having to treat fully preventable injuries.

Fuck you for telling me I have no shred of humanity.

Classy 😘

I know, as classy as you putting words in peoples' mouths by deliberately ignoring parts of their posts and then claiming they have no shred of humanity. It must be lovely feeding your own superiority that way.

Knowingly and consciously risking your life.

These people took a very big risk, but where do you draw the line? People knowingly take risks every single day. You risk your life getting in a car to drive somewhere, and most injuries resulting from car accidents are also "utterly preventable". Ever gone slightly over the speed limit or driven while tired? Do you have the same low opinion of skydivers or rock climbers? Exactly how low does a risk need to be to be acceptable in your eyes, in order for you to feel sympathetic towards the risk-taker? Plenty of people do not injure themselves cliff jumping so it's by no means a ticket to certain death or serious injury; it's a recognised activity when done more safely.

Your stance is ridiculous the minute you try to rationalise it, because taking risks isn't something that only stupid people who don't deserve sympathy do. We all take risks, some of which result in injury or death.

But you calculate the level of risk and the gain you get from doing it.

Cars: commuting to earn money, food shops, people with disabilities capable of driving but not walking. Cars also come with a lot of safety features.

Cliff jumping, certainly from that height: there is no need for it. If it goes wrong it is pretty much guaranteed to be really bad. There is nothing about cliff jumping that is needed in life.

Why would you value your life that little for all of a few seconds of a thrill?

I'll save my humanity for the family who have to carry the burden of potentially life long care.

If you feel empathy for the family, then maybe you'll agree that they would be upset by a thread full of people calling their seriously injured child a "brain dead tosser" who deserved to die? They are human beings who love their child. If you feel humanity, then maybe reflect on that a bit

Or just carry on ranting about how their child is better off dead. Your call.

You didn't answer my question. Where do you draw the line? Who is deserving of humanity and who not? There is, after all, a very wide middle ground between driving cars and cliff jumping.

Frankly I think that driving a car while tired is worse, from a risk perspective, than cliff jumping in a known safe location. The car's safety features are irrelevant when you plough into a pedestrian - most safety features on cars are aimed at protecting the inhabitants, not the poor sods they may hit.

, than cliff jumping in a known safe location

They weren't cliff jumping in a known safe location though. Firstly, I don't think there is any safe location for cliff jumping. Secondly, Durdle Door is a steeply shelving beach into a deep 'pond' and then has a ledge of rocks by the 'door'.

I posted a video earlier taken by a scuba diver out there showing what is under the surface, you can see it's not safe. Obviously people are not going to watch the video before they go but if people stuck to the advice and swam at life guard manned beaches then there would be less of this kind of thing.

At the moment (at least before today, I have been busy so don't know if it changed today, I think the RNLI started service at a few beaches at the weekend) a lot of beaches have not got working lifeguards so in that case the choice is obvious - don't go swimming at the beach. It goes without saying, I hope, that you shouldn't jump from the cliffs regardless of whethere there is a life guard there or not.

cliff jumping at a known safe location

Are you having a laugh?

@ReceptacleForTheRespectable do you think that was a safe location and these people were just unfortunate they got hurt?

Firstly, I don't think there is any safe location for cliff jumping

There is. Dh and the dcs have done it.

They are young men. Young men do stupid things to look cool, even if it means that they might die. That's been true forever, and won't change I don't think.

This, plus,

Testosterone, innit.

That's all there is to it.

Or just carry on ranting about how their child is better off dead.

I never said that.

do you think that was a safe location and these people were just unfortunate they got hurt?

No, it wasn't safe. They made a massive, stupid mistake in jumping off, because it was very high risk. But risk isnt a binary yes/no thing, we all take risks every day. And no one deserves to die because of a stupid one-off youthful mistake.

Are you having a laugh?

Not at all. Coasteering is a recognised activity that includes jumping into the sea from a cliff. You can hire guides to take you. It isn't 100% safe in the same way that rock climbing isn't 100% safe, but the local coasteerers will know which waters can be jumped into with minimal risk.