Tomb stoning Dorset, why??

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Just catching up on news from weekend.

Read with horror the story from Dorset doors on Saturday. Three people injured tomb stoning, helicopters landing on beach, people squashed up like sardines.

So ok, it's done, awful but done.

Then I click on next link, yesterday, people still doing it, despite the events the day before. The police have asked them not to, the emergency services have out out a statement asking them not to, the roads have been closed, yet people are still jumping.

The landowner says he has given up fencing it as people just break the fences, climb over.

I just do not get it. Even without corona I couldn't go against all that advice and do something which emergency services had warned against.

Add in corona and the social distancing it is absolutely mind boggling.

Am I missing something? Does it just take a certain type of person to defy everyone and carry on as they please. Even if it had been one casualty but three, plus someone with a broken ankle. Crazy.

Pity gov can’t ‘find’ them some work to do, like, you know, people were fine with happening to disabled/unemployed people years ago,.....The so-called the dole scum?

It's surely not private land it is.

Why is there not a massive fines for
a) trespass
b) calling out of the helicopter and emergency services.

Then people that wanted to jump could still jump with the risk it will cost them 4K or whatever.

We live in Cornwall near a lot of lovely beaches and have noticed a real uptick in drinking on beaches in the past week.
We're actively avoiding beaches in fact because social
Distancing too has gone out the window. Fortunately we know a lovely river we can swim in, and the madness hast reached there yet

How much does the air ambulance cost each time it goes out? These idiots should have to pay for it

The air ambulance isn't even govt funded (which is a scandal imo), it's funded by charity.

How is it private land it is a world heritage site?

The death drive is a thing, Freud wrote about it. I presume these tests are driven by it.

Stupidity of the public. It would be OK to let the silly sods kill themselves but some other poor sod has to pick up the pieces and or look after them when their brain damaged:(

It's been done for centuries , many have died there and probably because they were going out to rescue the adrenaline junkies.

Sadly, this is what happens when you try to control a nation. As soon as they get a little freedom they go mad.

The beach is owned by the Weld Estate. There are multiple ways to access the beach, some better known than others.
The roads were closed in the area yesterday, but there are always people who think the rules don't apply to them and push their luck.
Trespass isn't a criminal offence, nor should police have to 'police car parks'. This is a matter for responsible human beings. They shouldn't need another adult to tell them the difference between right and wrong.

I remember the story in one of Bill Bryon's books about the family who covered their toddler's hand in honey and then literally fed it to a bear. They obviously imagined they would get a cute video of the bear licking honey off the toddler's hand, but the bear thought it would be simpler just to bite the hand off whole. This was pre-Instagram but I think Instagram has encouraged this kind of stupidity.

I think in this case, assuming any of the idiots from the weekend survive, I would ask them what would have stopped them from doing it? Would a giant billboard with a photo of their legs after jumping have helped? Should there be spikes visible in the sea? What would work?

@Duckfinger

Some people are stupid. You can't cure stupid.

Oh, I don't know. Dropping off a cliff into water can cure some people of it permanently.

If we’re going to start judging who is entitled to benefit from the emergency services, they’ll have very little to do - no need to attend car accidents, sporting injuries, garden or house accidents

Those are all legal. None of the jumpers should have been on the private land for a start.
All Cristal land belongs to sone one whether it be the The Crown, a local authority, organisation like the RSPB or an individual. .

I think beaches are going to be very dangerous this summer.

People don't have much else to do, and many people will be in an unfamiliar environment where they aren't aware of the risks.

They see somebody doing something dangerous, and either assume that it is safe and that no special expertise is required; or don't realise that the person in the water/climbing the rock is completely clueless.

Add testosterone and alcohol and the results are lethal.

Tomb-stoning has been going on for a long time, and people have been dying and severely injuring themselves doing it for a long time too.

When I was growing up in Cornwall it felt like at least one teenager a year died doing it, but people still did it- I think the risk is what makes it fun for them. It always scared the shit out of me, and I was fine doing other adrenaline junkie type stuff.

I think if you are of the mindset to jump off a cliff for fun, coronavirus probably doesn't make much difference either way. Self- isolation might have even contributed to it, because the sorts of people to do this probably don't cope well with being cooped up.

To an extent, I think people have the right to risk their own lives if that's what they want to do, but they shouldn't expect others to rescue them if they get into trouble.

Equally there have been lots of reports around here about drownings etc due to the lack of lifeguards on beaches etc- but there are people still going in to the sea when they clearly don't know the beach and getting into trouble. I think in this case, people just don't understand the risks, or think it won't happen to them, because they are a strong swimmer, or whatever.

I just can't comprehend the mentality.
Utter stupidity.
I can't even.

I believe there's a cliff around the coast from Polperro known locally as 'Wheelchair rock'.
It seems to be a right of passage among local lads.

Alcohol has a lot to answer for.

A lad one of my dds went to school with broke his back diving off some cliffs in Spain he was 18 I just can't get over how invincible some people think they are it's like an idiot gene or something.

It's absolute stupidity and with that goes the certain knowledge that if they get hurt, someone will call an ambulance and they will be treated for nothing. Just imagine if one of them was paralysed though - we would have the papers full of sad faces and 'nobody told us it wasn't safe' and 'sue the Dorset Council'. Utter madness and selfishness.

it is private land but the owner is not allowed to stop access as public rights of way, they can fence off cliff edges but they can't stop access to beach or cliffs generally and as owner said no sooner does he put fences up then they get torn down
All land even in national parks is generally owned by someone farmers, national trust forestry commission etc, there is very very little land that owned by nobody, even common land will belong to a group of people in a certain locality not everyone in UK, not just anyone can let their ponies roam exmoor, it is common grazing for people living within a certain area near exmoor

People do stupid shit for the adrenaline rush, for the ‘high.’ It’s why people take drugs when they know they could contain rat poison. Some people take risks, it’s always been that way, it’ll always be that way.

even common land will belong to a group of people in a certain locality not everyone in UK

And commoners usually own the right to put their animals out on the land, not the land itself.

I've often thought that the paramedics/RNLI should be able to say "you jump off that, we ain't coming for you. Get yourself out of the water and the hospital's that way." I know they can't, but I do feel they deserve to be allowed to say it, just the once.

The RNLI and the air/sea rescue helicopter could say that as they are charities not public funded, but fortunately the people who run them aren't arseholes and they volunteer so that they can rescue people and save lives

It's one of the big reasons that men have a lower life expectancy than women from birth.

I'll bet there were very few, if any, women jumping.