To offer to look after this fucking dog?

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My neighbour thought it would be a great idea to buy a very needy, clingy puppy while she fucks off out to work all day. Today she went back from furlough and the fucking thing is already going absolutely berserk. I've had her about it twice before and to be fair to her she is trying various things to calm it down. It's less than 6 months old. But the bottom line is it's a puppy and they are NOT designed for this. I can't see an end to it and she won't rehome it, which she should if she loves it. I'm working from home. I need to concentrate. Puppy is fine when with people. So muggins here is considering offering to have her responsibility here in my house, providing for free what would normally be a very expensive service during the day so it sits down and shuts the fuck up. Only until I go back to the office later this year. So unfair. I don't want to report her it would just be so awkward!

Report her, she clearly doesn't care (or has no brain) if she's happy to have a miserable animal.

Probably 50% of people with dogs really shouldn't have them, clueless and thick.

Would you really think it was acceptable to leave a small puppy to it's own devices all day? To just leave it in an unfenced garden and let it wander wherever it liked? Imagine the uproar if dogs were just allowed to free-roam the streets with no collars, no owners, no consequences? Nobody to stop them running into the road or from shitting in your garden?

You have missed the point. That’s what I am saying, that these things were never issues.
Dogs didn’t suffer from separation anxiety.
Puppies were left to their own devices all day, generally they were limited with makeshift ‘pens’ of chicken wire though until they got older.
Even though they were free to, dogs certainly didn’t wander wherever they liked. They pretty much stuck to home. They didn’t go shitting all over the place because they stayed around your house and shat there.
They were obedient, came when called and didn’t go around biting people, being unfriendly etc, at a time when kids free ranged (while the dogs couldn’t be bothered).
They generally didn’t get run over, I can recall two in my childhood as they were both car chasers, lasted many years, everyone used to know them, roughly where they would run out from and would be careful but eventually succumbed, both times. I don’t mean to be harsh but 2 dogs in 15 odd years out of roughly 100 houses isn’t bad. To be fair, there were less cars though as households were generally one car only back then. They seemed to road sense that dogs these days don’t have.
They weren’t walked either, they all had collars but in the event of a trip to vet needed most people tied a rope to the collar. We had decent sized yards, 1/4 acre, not sure if that makes a difference?
They also didn’t go around fighting, there was the very occasional fight but it was BIG news as it was the one thing that could cause bad blood in a neighbourhood and back in those days every weekend was akin to a street party so bad blood was something no one wanted.
They were also healthy, with most living to at least 15yo without any medical problems only visiting the vet once a year for vaccinations. They were wormed, absolutely mammoth white tablets you had to get into them back then, no chews or easy options back then.
To the poster who said it may be because most people took them to work, not where we were. Only one dog went out to work with the owner and it was unusual and they were generally ribbed (good natured) about it.

To be clear, I’m NOT saying any of these things SHOULD occur today. I don’t believe they should but to me it seems more that they couldn’t even occur today because dogs have changed so much over the years (into highly neurotic, sensitive, needing to be constantly occupied potential fear biters). I genuinely don’t understand what has changed to cause this. The only thing I can think of is that dogs back then were very rarely identifiable as any breed but probably had 20 types of dogs mixed in whereas today it seems the majority are pedigree. Maybe it’s something else though?

She doesn’t need a trainer, she needs daycare/dog walker, it’s only a puppy he shouldn’t be left longer than 1/2 hours at that age, that’s the difference between a breeder and rescue, a rescue wouldn’t have passed her to adopt.
If she used a good breeder I doubt they’d be impressed the pup is left 11 hours a day.
I’d be sending her links to local daycare/walkers.

I hate moaning at people and repeating myself. To be honest other than a quick hello in passing I don't really want to be involved with neighbours at all let alone having to try and tell them how to live their lives. I just wish she would see sense and do what is best for the animal.

The thing is, if you stop complaining she's going to think the dog is ok and has settled. It's hard but you do need to keep at this.

Dogs have to be systematically taught to cope with being alone. This is not something that the dog will grow out of, it is something the dog need to learn slowly and gradually. Some are more prone to it than others.
If not, it will be a lifelong problem. So the next 15 years.
During the training process, the puppy must not be left AT ALL for any period longer than it can cope with otherwise it’s worst suspicions will be confirmed , it will feel abandoned and you undo all the hard work and progress.
Sorry, that all sounds pretty depressing but it’s not fair to you to sugar coat it. It is possible to fix, but its a long term gradual process which is impossible to do whilst having to be out of the house for set hours of the day. Add to that the appalling amount of time the poor puppy is on its own and the fact the owner at best sounds ridiculously naive to the needs of any animal, if they were my client (dog trainer) I would give them 2 options

1. Rehome. My preference in this case

2. Full time day care. With the thought that it may need to be for the duration of the dogs life. I’m not really a fan of daycare generally but in this case it would be the only way of keeping the dogs needs even vaguely met, if they are determined to keep it

Don’t take the dog on yourself unless you are very clear that you are happy to do so for the next 15 years. Anything else is just kicking the can down the road

She probably doesn't realise how distressed the puppy is all day and is kidding herself that it calms down once she is out of the way. You really need to let her know.

Im not really sure what you could report her for? Are you saying only people that dont work should buy puppies confused

Really? Are you not very bright then?

You have missed the point. That’s what I am saying, that these things were never issues.

I don't think I'm missing the point at all.

You can't do those things anymore, so the fact that it worked 50/60 years ago is largely irrelevant. You can't just leave your dog alone all day and hope it stays close to home. Dogs must, by law, wear collars with ID tags on whenever they're out of the house. Your dog also has to be under control and if it's not and something happens like it bites someone or is aggressive, the courts can order you to have your dog PTS.

So, by law, your dog now has to be kept securely on your property. And as dogs are frequently stolen out of gardens, most people wouldn't be happy just leaving their dogs outside all day. So unless the owner forks out for daycare or a walker, the dog is stuck home all day because there isn't really another option.

Dog ownership just isn't the same as it was.

Cruelty, by your neighbour, There are also many that have bought puppies during furlough and are now going back to work and leaving them all.day or as my nephew told me, being handed in to shelters. Why do people take on animals only to leave them all day, so sad.

Fuck me, what a breed mix to get when you work that long hours.

Poor thing.

Im not really sure what you could report her for? Are you saying only people that dont work should buy puppies

Not the sharpest are you?

Dog ownership just isn't the same as it was.

I. Get. That. And. I. Don’t. Disagree.
I am saying that dogs now are fundamentally different to what they were in regards to their needs - not the rules, not the laws, but the characteristics of the dogs themselves. And am asking why that seems to be. Christ, I didn’t think it was that difficult a concept.

To break it down and using the OP’s example, dogs used to be okay to be left alone all day until kids came home from school and the dog joined in with afternoon kids running around the yard. They were then left alone all night. I’m not saying this was right or wrong or within or outside the rules or what is or is not acceptable now. I’m asking why dogs in this situation never used to bark or howl of a day or night due to loneliness/boredom/whatever unlike dogs today who do bark and howl in the same situation and what it is that has caused this change.

Dogs are not any different from decades ago, I don't think they know to move with the times.

It's likely that back then the mother stayed home and didn't need to work.

I'd suggest to her that she gets one of those web cameras for the room the dog's left in so she can monitor him during the day and/or review in the evening.

That way she will have loads of information to share with the trainer and can maybe think up solutions herself.

The reality is that a few days of witnessing her puppy crying for hours will likely make her decide to get a dogsitter or rehome.

It broke my heart but i rehomed my dogs because i changed from a part time job to one where i was training for 5 months ( leaving at 6am, home 6pm) and then into 6 day on 4 day off shifts. They couldnt be kept together, nore loose in the house. They should of been sleeping on someone's sofa or being walked, not penned up for 12 hours a day, it wasnt fair, sustainable and i thought i was being cruel and selfish, so i did what i was thought was right. I had about 5 months warning on the job start so used that time to find the perfect homes for them

I am saying that dogs now are fundamentally different to what they were in regards to their needs - not the rules, not the laws, but the characteristics of the dogs themselves. And am asking why that seems to be. Christ, I didn’t think it was that difficult a concept.

Yes, and I've explained why. But apparently it's too difficult a concept for you to grasp

We have to treat dogs differently now because the law requires us to. And we all know dogs react to their surroundings. So because we have to treat them differently, they act differently. Most pet dogs would have no clue what to do if you just let them have free range. The likelihood is they would run off and get hurt - simply because they've never lived like that. They're used to being enclosed in gardens or houses, and probably with their owners most of the time.

Dogs haven't fundamentally changed. They're dogs, same as always. But society and they way we treat them have changed, so of course they're going to react to that. If a dog is used to having it's owner around 24/7 and suddenly it's left alone for 11 hours a day, it's no wonder the poor thing is distressed.

I do wonder if there is a free lobotomy offered with every puppy purchase. You have told her it is screaming all day. Unless she is incredibly stupid, she must know that you cannot leave a dog all day, let alone a puppy.

it goes to daycare or it gets rehomed. Those are her options, plus the third nuclear one. Why should you take it on?

Could you record the dog and show her?

I'd suggest to her that she gets one of those web cameras for the room the dog's left in so she can monitor him during the day and/or review in the evening

She did. He ate it!

None of our adult, well trained dogs ever could or would be left alone in the house for a working day. So she's deluding herself on that score. He has separation anxiety, well-recognised dog problem, and it's only going to get worse as he grows up, gets his second teeth for more destruction, etc.
I would look into the most expensive doggydaycare business in your area and get her the prices ( exorbitant). Then say to her "Your dog is suffering and I can't just let it carry on . Either pay for daily care elsewhere... or arrange for the RSPCA to collect and rehome it."

and if she doesn't, report her to the RSPCA

Can put noise complaint into council, although it wouldn't resolve it particularly quickly& may sour relationship. RSPCA wouldn't likely be interested given pup has food, water & shelter

Poor pup, its a long time to be left even for an adult dog without a dog walker visiting. A puppy would definitely need daycare or frequent visits.

I think you maybe just putting a plaster on situation temporarily & likely would feel resentful taking on neighbours responsibility as pups can be demanding to have around. I offered to help someone out by taking on pup for fortnight, still have it 5 yrs on

Can get indoor security camara's cheaply now to be able to check on pup. Maybe she's trying to kid herself that pup is just noisy for few minutes & settles.

Maybe of some use to neighbour, however you can't really fix separation anxiety when your not there as need to work within dogs comfort level not stress it. May convince she'd be better off resolving with daycare/home boarder or rehoming if not affordable option.
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I've totally changed my mind on offering to look after it, I won't be doing that now. She's making it my problem but I won't be making it my responsibility.

Why do so many stupid people buy dogs?

Or, why do so many breeders sell dogs to stupid people?

I had to practically pass an audition just to get the phone number of a lakeland terrier breeder who might have a litter where not all the puppies were spoken for. I was on the phone to the secretary of the breed club for about an hour, she wanted to know everything about my day to day life, the environment I lived in, experience with dogs and the ins and outs of a duck's arse.

And rightly so.

Wise decision.

She is not a good person.

Only a selfish person would leave a crying dog 11 hours.

Report her.

Keep your distance.