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What a great covid-19 responsethe government have achieved

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Beck30 · 30/05/2020 23:44

www.conservatives.com/members/briefing?utm_source=newsletter&utm_meidum=email&utm_campaign=1642&utm_content=button

Hopefully I have pasted the correct link. But the absolute GALL to claim to have responded in any way competently to the crisis facing all of us.... makes me feel very ashamed to have even considered voting for this lot. Thoughts....?

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gokartdillydilly · 31/05/2020 00:18

They are a shower of shit aren't they? The lies, the gaslighting, the Cummings and goings, the absence of Johnson. The silencing of the CMOs. Hancock, Raab, Gove, Schapps and Patel. The hypocrisy. So glad I didn't vote for them, and can see why you're sorry you did. I'm sure many do.

gokartdillydilly · 31/05/2020 00:19

And I will not be downloading their shitty little app.

ToffeeYoghurt · 31/05/2020 00:21

They only get away with such claims with media support. They (the media) have a lot of power.

It's our media's responsibility to challenge it.

FrodoTheDodo · 31/05/2020 05:48

I think they're a shower of shit too but much of what they've said there is true to be fair. That doesn't mean they've been competent however.

YeahWhatevver · 31/05/2020 05:58

I think they're also giving us enough rope to hang ourselves and absolve themselves of responsibility:

App isn't successful: we told you all to download it and many of you didn't, your fault it failed

Second wave: we told you to maintain social distancing and many of you didn't, your fault it failed.

Idotoo1 · 31/05/2020 06:08

I think they're a shower of shit too but much of what they've said there is true to be fair. That doesn't mean they've been competent however.

^ this

Though their oft repeated claim that the NHS was not overwhelmed makes me so angry.

Yes, because elderly infected people were sent back to care homes to let the disease cause havoc amongst the most defenseless, some people with corona stayed at home too long due to rubbish 111 advice and also died there (and people admitted to hospital often should have been admitted earlier), and people with other critical illnesses were unable to access care or had it put off or were too scared to go in Sad.

I wonder how many people who voted conservative last time won’t now because of how incompetent they are and the tragic consequences of it.

Not to mention the fact that test and track is not up and running properly yet, and apparently the training and software are bad, but it is apparently world class or world beating or whatever lazy propaganda gaslighting bullshit Johnson came out with yet again.

Mumoblue · 31/05/2020 06:10

YANBU.

They have screwed up so utterly and completely that I have no idea why the entire country isn't furious.
I've never liked the Tories for their social policies, but I thought- people who like them generally do so for economic reasons. But even now they have buggered it up so severely that the economy is screwed too. Because they didnt lock down properly or at the right time, now we have no control over the virus so it will take much longer to get back to normal.

How can anyone still have faith in this government? And before someone jumps in with "Corbyn!" - we are well past that.
At this rate I think that it's not possible to have done worse.
They are not "doing their best in a bad situation". And if they are, we should all be furious that this is their best.

Idotoo1 · 31/05/2020 06:14

Saying things apparently makes them true Hmm. Like Cummings saying that he warned about the coronavirus pandemic last year, in a blog that he altered a few weeks ago. But he had the bare faced cheek to say it, in the fucking Rose Garden, so many people will believe it.

IncrediblySadToo · 31/05/2020 06:27

I wonder how many people who voted conservative last time won’t now because of how incompetent they are and the tragic consequences of it

I voted conservative last time & would again because despite being far from perfect, they're better than the other shower of shite

If anyone thinks labour would have done any better they're deluded

And before someone jumps in with "Corbyn!" - we are well past that

No, that was the alternative at the time, so asking about a vote at that time, of course it's relevant.

KS -it's easy to say what you would have done if you'd been the PM, without any of the pressures & with hindsight.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not impressed with BJ AT ALL. I just think a conservative govt is a better option than the alternative.

I think they've made a lot of bad decisions and the easing from tomorrow is another one, but no, I'm not ashamed to have voted conservative

Mumoblue · 31/05/2020 06:32

I understand you think it's better than the alternative. But at this point you have absolutely no proof and the conservatives have done so poorly that I find it hard to believe anyone could have been worse.

Idotoo1 · 31/05/2020 06:34

they're better than the other shower of shite they really aren’t, and I think Keir Starmer will be PM after the next election.

Mumoblue · 31/05/2020 06:36

I think it's funny we cant even get one page into this thread without: Labour would have done worse no really just trust me.

How? How much worse? How many tens of thousands dead?

rosie1959 · 31/05/2020 06:42

I have always voted conservative and no I am unlikely to change
We dont know if labour would have done better but as they couldn't make their mind up about a comparatively easy subject Brexit I doubt it
I have never seen a conservative government give away so much cash you cannot say they have done their best to support the economy
We are going to be in dark times coming out of this and I would not want labour in charge

Nquartz · 31/05/2020 06:43

You didn't see hindsight to manage this better, we literally had a crystal ball looking at italy/france/spain/new.york a few weeks ahead of us.

Yes this is unprecedented but it was for Norway, Denmark or Germany, and look how much better they did than us.

and agree with Idotoo the way that the NHS has been protected was by throwing people to the wolves. There was a really.interesting article recently by a doctor who was talking about the extra workload dealing with the long term effects, how many of those could have been reduced by earlier admission/intervention like in Germany?

Iggly · 31/05/2020 06:45

If anyone thinks labour would have done any better they're deluded

If that helps you sleep at night.

Previous Tory governments would have been better than this lot.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 31/05/2020 06:47

I see plenty of tories who say Labour/Corbyn would have done worse, but serious question, how would they have been worse?
Like seriously, what would have been worse?
I fail to see how it could have been worse to be honest.

rosie1959 · 31/05/2020 06:54

What do you think Labour would had done differently

Teacher12345 · 31/05/2020 06:54

I see plenty of tories who say Labour/Corbyn would have done worse, but serious question, how would they have been worse?

Well we don't know for sure, but I suspect businesses wouldn't have been quite as well supported, inparticular the self-employed.

Kazzyhoward · 31/05/2020 06:55

Second wave: we told you to maintain social distancing and many of you didn't, your fault it failed.

But that would very much be true!

Namenic · 31/05/2020 06:58

The evidence that UK could have done better (if not obvious currently), will probably come up in multi variate analyses. We have probably performed below other countries if you control for gdp, population density, average age. AND it hit us later than Italy... so we didn’t learn. AND we continue not to learn by lifting restrictions in places where infections are still high...

Teacher12345 · 31/05/2020 06:58

*Second wave: we told you to maintain social distancing and many of you didn't, your fault it failed.

But that would very much be true!*

But people will never take responsibility for their part. The government have not done very well, but they have done alot. The people however had one job, stay at home. Couldn't even do that!

Iggly · 31/05/2020 06:59

But that would very much be true

How so?

The government are being hypocritical.

On the one hand they’ve told us to stay at home etc.

Then they’ve changed that message to stay alert, they’ve opened schools again and said people can meet up again.

Their own advisors have broken lockdown rules.

They’ve said people can use common sense.

So, please tell me - why haven’t the government stuck to the “stay at home advice”?

They’ve eased it, which tells people that things are better.

The government need to start taking responsibility for their actions instead of blaming others.

They are the ones with the power, responsibility and resources to do this properly.

Other governments have managed it, so why not ours?

Iggly · 31/05/2020 07:08

I’ll also add, the government are being irresponsible.

They haven’t not put in place a test and trace strategy which they should have done months ago. Why haven’t they spoken and learned from South Korea? Or Germany about how to do it?

I know from personal experience that they have no clue how to implement this and have given the job to local government when they should have given them resources to do it earlier. Too little too late.

Especially irresponsible when some people may carry covid without showing any symptoms at all.

The government are lifting the furlough scheme which will force businesses to come back as many won’t be able to survive without earning income.

The government have made plenty of mistakes.

As Dominic Cummings himself said, the Tories do not care for the NHS or the poor. They’ve thrown them to the wolves over successive years and COVID-19 is highlighting it rather spectacularly.

JudyCoolibar · 31/05/2020 07:33

If anyone thinks labour would have done any better they're deluded

That's completely illogical. You imply that it's impossible for anyone to do any better, yet we can see countries all over the world that have done better. You can't seriously claim that it's inevitable that, whoever was in charge, we'd have had the PPE debacle, the stupidity of delaying quarantine for people coming into the country, the care home mess - and we certainly wouldn't have had the Track and Trace app contract given to Cummings' friends.

rosie1959 · 31/05/2020 07:44

Labour agreed in the early months with the government’s handling of th pandemic.
Would they really have been able to access more PPE if they could have why didn’t they
The care homes - would they have done differently it was thought that the elderly would be safer out of hospital which we thought were going to be overwhelmed (remember Italy) If they were discharged with out testing surely that’s up to the medical professionals If admitted to care homes why were they not isolated
Track and trace Cummins friends ??