What a great covid-19 responsethe government have achieved

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Hopefully I have pasted the correct link. But the absolute GALL to claim to have responded in any way competently to the crisis facing all of us.... makes me feel very ashamed to have even considered voting for this lot. Thoughts....?

Just about any other government would have been better than this cack handed mob of idiots.

Labour agreed in the early months with the government’s handling of th pandemic.

Not all of it. And of course the government was keeping quiet about things like the PPE failure.

Would they really have been able to access more PPE if they could have why didn’t they

What on earth are you talking about? How could the opposition put in place PPE contracts?

The care homes - would they have done differently it was thought that the elderly would be safer out of hospital which we thought were going to be overwhelmed (remember Italy) If they were discharged with out testing surely that’s up to the medical professionals If admitted to care homes why were they not isolated

Self-evidently when people were discharged to care homes without checking whether they had coronavirus, it would put all the inmates of care homes in danger. Combine that with failing to ensure adequate PPE for care homes, and you have the results that we've seen. That is 100% down to the government, and trying to fob it off onto medical professionals is, frankly, an utter disgrace, @rosie1959.

Track and trace Cummins friends ??

Why the question mark? It's a known fact.

Many people - and sensible businesses - were taking action before this government did. I have never been a Corbyn fan but I think he would have 1. listened more to the scientists 2. been more concerned about taking other parts of the country with him.

I think he'd have locked down sooner, been quicker off the mark with PPE and more likely to get it locally - so would have done less damage to the economy. He might have offered less help to some businesses but this government was overly generous to some and too slow to help others.

He might have been too slow to get business going again and the media would have given him no support.

Perhaps more importantly at the moment - I think any other Tory in charge would probably have been even worse than Boris.

@JudyCoolibar different views obviously

Labour would not have gone down the herd immunity route. Models show that if we had locked down a week earlier we would only have had a quarter of the number of deaths so we are looking at 45k less deaths caused by labour for a start.

Labours strategy would also not have been shaped by the need to line as many pockets are possible e.g giving track and trace app contracts to the company part owned by the wife on Domonic Cummings and giving vast sums to Dyson for ventilators which were never produced.

Labour would also have joined in the EU procurement of PPE rather than pretending to have not seen the email meaning that a lot less key workers would have been infected and some of the spread to care homes would have been prevented.

I could go on...

YeahWhatevver

I think they're also giving us enough rope to hang ourselves and absolve themselves of responsibility:“

This, absolutely. It’s policy. Working too looking at yesterday’s photos.

YANBU
Frank Spencer could have done better than this lot.
Farcical, gross incompetence.

Labour would not have gone down the herd immunity route. Models show that if we had locked down a week earlier we would only have had a quarter of the number of deaths so we are looking at 45k less deaths caused by labour for a start.

There are also models to show that lockdown has made no difference at all. That the numbers would have been the same and our economy not destroyed. I personally am not sure I agree with that but I am no scientist. I don't think we will know how it could have been better until years down the line when we have a full picture of ACCURATE evidence.

@Teacher12345

Labour would not have gone down the herd immunity route. Models show that if we had locked down a week earlier we would only have had a quarter of the number of deaths so we are looking at 45k less deaths caused by labour for a start.

There are also models to show that lockdown has made no difference at all. That the numbers would have been the same and our economy not destroyed. I personally am not sure I agree with that but I am no scientist. I don't think we will know how it could have been better until years down the line when we have a full picture of ACCURATE evidence.

I assume you are referring to the jpmorgan study cited in the sun and daily mail. I think you will find that jp morgan is rather biassed towards ending lockdown and that the vast majority of epidemiologists would disagree with its findings.

@middleager

YANBU Frank Spencer could have done better than this lot. Farcical, gross incompetence.

That

The fact that the Nightingale Hospitals were not used is evidence of the Governments hopeless mismanagement of the pandemic in Edngland, not something to be proud of at all. The care people have received in hospital might be exemplary but all the thousands of deaths outside of hospital are heartbreaking. It makes my blood boil too.

I wonder how many people who voted conservative last time won’t now because of how incompetent they are and the tragic consequences of it.

Not nearly enough, as demonstrated by all the daft tribal "yes we are shit but Labour are shite" comments.

I wonder how many people who voted conservative last time won’t now because of how incompetent they are and the tragic consequences of it.

I think uk politics has become a bit like US politics where the divide in the public is now so great on so many issues that people identify with an ideology regardless of the details of policy and the personalities involved.

Not helped by the growing intolerance, name calling and condescension of people on opposite sides of an issue.

You're either for or against and issue and if you think differently to me then we're political enemies.

The 'Labour would have been worse' comments really expose the stupidity and irrationality of tribal loyalty to a single party. Thank goodness for floating voters in the face of such blind, cultish devotion.

[quote rosie1959]@JudyCoolibar different views obviously[/quote]
Hardly, given that my post was firmly based on established facts, not "views"

JudyCoolibar yes thank you for correcting me