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Why haven't they been arrested yet? Why?

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ShambalaHambala · 28/05/2020 09:30

The officers who murdered and were accessories to the murder of George Floyd. Can anyone give me a logical reason for it? I've been up all night watching footage of the riots. There look to be upwards of 150 officers stood outside Chauvin's house protecting him and his family. Minneapolis is on fire. Why not arrest the murderer? It's clear as day that he murdered Floyd in cold blood. As a black woman, with black brothers, and black friends and family across America, I feel sick. I can't sleep. I can't stop crying. I don't agree with the violence that has happened across minneapolis but I feel the rioters' pain. I can't make sense of this.

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JessicaDay · 28/05/2020 10:37

It’s horrendous levels of institutional, ingrained racism.

I also think US society has gotten steadily more openly hostile and belligerent. It practically a badge of honour to not give a fuck about anyone else but yourself and promote that view aggressively.

BeakyFace · 28/05/2020 10:37

I can barely stop thinking about George Floyd and every time I do I'm in tears about the absolute horror of it. It's just horrific and senseless, and the worst part for me (beyond his death obviously) is how openly brazen that police officer is in his brutality. He's not attempting to hide what he's doing or affected by the crowd of people filming and shouting at him. That shows how callous, cold and power crazed he is. It also calls into question the attitude and brutality of the police force in the USA as this is one in a long line of incidents that have resulted in the deaths of black men.

dreamingbohemian · 28/05/2020 10:39

The mayor of Minneapolis is a lawyer himself and has said the officer should be in jail by now. It's hard to believe the reasons are solely procedural.

I think you can add additional charges after arraignment if new evidence emerges, like the autopsy report. Those can take weeks, I don't think they allow your average person to walk around free for weeks after violently assaulting a person on video who dies.

ShambalaHambala · 28/05/2020 10:42

@kateandme it's a different person. It's not Chauvin. Be very careful what you believe right now. Question everything.

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Kljnmw3459 · 28/05/2020 10:43

Why do these incidents seem so prevalent in the US?

Annamaria14 · 28/05/2020 10:44

I thought I had seen racism.

Then I went to visit the USA last year and I was horrified.

Black people were being treated like animals. I had never seen that level of racism before. It was frightening
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I live in Ireland at the moment, and racism exists here for sure. But if I am in a restaurant, and a black person walks in, they are treated like a human being.

I had never seen such total hatred of black people until I went to the States. I landed in the States, and I immediately felt total hatred towards black people everywhere. It is on another level. It is disturbing. Some of the white people act like they are lord of he manor and act like the black people are animals.

Pleasenodont · 28/05/2020 10:45

Purely because the victim was black and it’s America. Cops kill black people all of the time in the US, it’s almost the norm hence Black Lives Matter.

Annamaria14 · 28/05/2020 10:46

@Kljnmw3459 because of how the entire country is founded on racism.

If you bring loads of black people over to work as slaves for you, and most of the black population are descended from these slaves.

Do you think the white descendants are going to respect the black descendants? They have huge racism problems since they established their whole country on racism (using black people to make white lives better)

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2020 10:49

AnnaMaria where did you go? I lived in Boston as a student for a year and wondering if there’s a marked difference between states.

LastTrainEast · 28/05/2020 10:49

I doubt anything will come of it. We did nothing here when police murdered Jean Charles de Menezes and that was more clear cut since they held him down and shot him while he was helpless.

manitobajane · 28/05/2020 10:50

He's black and they are white. That's why they haven't been arrested.

x2boys · 28/05/2020 11:00

Surely they can't just sweep it under the carpet and hope it all goes away it's all over the social media ,The FBI are involved and even Trump has made comments about it being a very sad day and wanting an explanation etc ,I think 20 years ago when there wouldn't have been instant video footage and people sharing things on social media it would have just been dismissed as a medical incident whilst someone was under arrest ( as was in the original sstatement ) but nobody can dispute that the policem an had his knee on George, Floyd's neck ,there is no excuse or explanation to excuse that.

FrippEnos · 28/05/2020 11:16

manitobajane

At least one of them wasn't white and has also had charges brought against hi for the same thing.

VenusTiger · 28/05/2020 11:23

@PlanDeRaccordement and @Doggybiccys - I've just watched the video again - she did make a call - unless she was pretending to - although she kept repeating parts as though she was answering questions Confused

VenusTiger · 28/05/2020 11:27

@PlanDeRaccordement - sorry, saw your update - yes, edited videos suck! Tbf, the man didn't film the part where he calls her dog over to offer him treats from his pocket - he later stated it on SM that we takes dog treats out with him to make a point to people with dogs off their lead - that would defintely piss me off! I wouldn't allow ANYONE, let alone a stranger, to feed ANYTHING to my dog. Wouldn't turn me into a racist though. She was goaded into her angry state by him, but she deserves to be vilified for her racism.

VenusTiger · 28/05/2020 11:27

*he not we

LimitIsUp · 28/05/2020 11:37

I don't think she cared much about her dog venus, since she is practically throttling it

Annamaria14 · 28/05/2020 11:40

Any cooper did say that the man said

" i am going to do something and you are not going to like it".",

Whicj she perceived as a threat

schoolsoutforcovid · 28/05/2020 11:56

Where did you go @Annamaria14? I think there will be a difference in certain states.

@LastTrainEast despite the perceived similarities, that case was not even nearly the same as this brutal murder.

CorianderLord · 28/05/2020 12:11

It's hideous. The video is heartbreaking. That cop executed him despite bystanders begging him to get off his neck!

AKissAndASmile · 28/05/2020 12:30

Because America is an uncivilised country where slavery still exists and black people are considered lower than animals.

Because white people allow this to happen and black people don't have the power to change it.

Colin Kaepernick lost his career for kneeling in peaceful protest at police brutality. Trump went after him in rage and anger. Everybody knows this story but it still goes on every day in America.

I find it astounding that America are treated with such respect and as though they are amazing. It is a sham. They don't even try to hide it. Other countries look on, kissing their arses. Britain is their 'special friend'.

That footage has disturbed me on such a deep level. As others have said it is rage and tear inducing. I can't get out of my head him crying out for his mum (who is deceased) as he lay there dying with that fucker's knee on his neck.

There’s no doubt they will be arrested and charged once the authorities have all the evidence from the autopsy etc. hang in there
You have not been paying attention. They never get prosecuted. Why do you think he confidently looked straight into the camera, smirking? He knows nothing will happen to him.

x2boys · 28/05/2020 12:48

I'm watching CNN now I really don't think this is going to.be swept under the carpet not from the way it's being reported ,the mayor has apparent!y said he thinks it's murder .

VenusTiger · 28/05/2020 13:18

FBI investigation has started

AcrossthePond55 · 28/05/2020 13:21

Since 9/11 we've put our first responders on a very tall pedestal. "The Thin Blue Line", "They run in when others run away" and the like. I'm not denigrating the job they do, it can be extremely hazardous and there are plenty of honourable cops. BUT in so many cases it's made them feel entitled and just a little bit 'better' than the rest of us, many of us have seen it in just day to day interactions. And there are those who are just plain rotten and those who love and abuse police power. And those who are racist and 'classist'. The racism needs no explanation, but there are cops who treat people (regardless of colour) of a (perceived) lower socio-economic level like trash. It's deplorable but as my mum used to say 'chickens come home to roost'. I think the tide is starting to turn. People are getting sick of the arrogance, not just in situations as abhorrent as this one, but in every day interactions.

What's interesting to me is that in the normal course of things officers involved in something like this would have been suspended with pay pending an internal affairs investigation. These cops were flat-out fired without a by-your-leave. This says to me that the Department knows it was murder with no extenuating circumstances. I think the officer will be charged with some form of murder and the others with accessory. But IANAL and we're living in very strange times.

Yes, there's racism here, I'm not denying it. It's worse in some areas than in others due to the history of our country. But to class us all as racist, to say "America is racist" is unfair. The majority of us are just trying to live the most honest lives we can and treating others, all others, with the respect with which we wish to be treated ourselves.

CrazyToast · 28/05/2020 13:21

@PlanDeRaccordement Amy Cooper does actually call them--I've seen footage of her on the phone sounding very hysterical.

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