To think it grossly unfair that Emily Maitlis won't be on Newsnight tonight and DC and BJ are still in their jobs?

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It just sums up this shit country and the state it's in imo.

Watching Johnson stuttering and blustering his way through the select committee this afternoon showing that he doesn't have a grip on the crisis at all and then finding that Maitlis, who is excellent at her job, has been chastised and suspended feels like yet another blow to decency in the UK. It comes after the government refusing to appear on the show for weeks as well - too scared.

How much longer will this shit go on?

I still remember the faces of presenters on the beeb after the Brexit vote - they were G U T T E D - it was priceless, thing was they were working for the British broadcas tg Corp. Not the London broadcasting Corp. she still hasn't accepted that.

It was a personal opinion dressed up as 'truth'.

This thread makes me wonder what kind of English teaching goes on in some schools.

Going by the title, I would be much less bothered by a tv presenter being sacked than the leader of the country at this point in time.

@SuckingDieselFella

It was a personal opinion dressed up as 'truth'.

This thread makes me wonder what kind of English teaching goes on in some schools.

ooh lovely! I'm pleased to tell you I'm an English teacher Sucking. My results are excellent I'm pleased to report .

I too do not like the “fact” that radio 5 in particular relies too heavily on phone in opinion. Every nutter can say something which has no basis in truth whatsoever but is rarely challenged. I text in and challenge and sometimes they correct what is said but the hosts rarely do it as they go along. Stephen Nolan sometimes does. I’ve heard a whole hour of a phone in based on a lie about electric car sales. The figure they quoted was completely wrong!

Fact checking is vital but the research people just want a story or a rant but not fact. Regarding Emily Maitlis, it needs, perhaps, to be explicit that it’s a magazine programme and not the news. An intro is put out there to be discussed. Andrew Neil is far more blunt and good for him. If we don’t get top flight news journalism, Cummings and his crew will get sycophantic lapdogs. We cannot allow that.

I give up - there really is a cult surrounding this man
@theduchessstill
It's not a cult it's pragmatism - no point banging your head against a brick wall.
I don't see the Labour Party in any state to step into their shoes, anyway we're stuck til the next election.

@theduchessstill
"ooh lovely! I'm pleased to tell you I'm an English teacher Sucking. My results are excellent I'm pleased to report ."

If that's true then I wonder why you won't engage on an analytical level.

You must surely be able to recognise the rhetorical features of her speech and you must be able to recognise the difference between this and reportage. If you do want to argue that she was reporting facts, you need to give reasons. If you are able to analyse language, why aren't you doing so?

@BubblesBuddy

I too do not like the “fact” that radio 5 in particular relies too heavily on phone in opinion. Every nutter can say something which has no basis in truth whatsoever but is rarely challenged. I text in and challenge and sometimes they correct what is said but the hosts rarely do it as they go along. Stephen Nolan sometimes does. I’ve heard a whole hour of a phone in based on a lie about electric car sales. The figure they quoted was completely wrong!

Fact checking is vital but the research people just want a story or a rant but not fact. Regarding Emily Maitlis, it needs, perhaps, to be explicit that it’s a magazine programme and not the news. An intro is put out there to be discussed. Andrew Neil is far more blunt and good for him. If we don’t get top flight news journalism, Cummings and his crew will get sycophantic lapdogs. We cannot allow that.

Newsnight isn't a magazine programme. It provides "Comprehensive coverage of the day's important national and international news stories" www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b006mk25/newsnight

Bottom right corner "Genre: News"
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25

What amazes me is the cognitive dissonance from the right wing. A Tory supporting young lady on my DP's Facebook shared a post complaining about the abuse/press houding Cummings received.

However, she apparently sometimes shares posts from Leave.EU who frequently have anti-immigrant posts and used to frequently incite hatred of pro-Remain MPs including female ones. DP says she has never, to his knowledge, complained about the abuse given to Corbyn or other Labour MPs targeted by the right-wing press.

I see torys have been complaining about Durham police now, so we might see a few of them lose their jobs before Cummings as well. They really do think they're above the law. Same happens whenever they get a speeding ticket or drink drive- the police are there for the plebs in their view.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/29/exclusive-durham-chief-constable-pcc-investigation-handling/

She deserved it. I’m glad

Hold on...people who vote Tory think they are above the law? Are you 12?

Well done Emily. We know you were spot on.

[quote SuckingDieselFella]@theduchessstill
"ooh lovely! I'm pleased to tell you I'm an English teacher Sucking. My results are excellent I'm pleased to report ."

If that's true then I wonder why you won't engage on an analytical level.

You must surely be able to recognise the rhetorical features of her speech and you must be able to recognise the difference between this and reportage. If you do want to argue that she was reporting facts, you need to give reasons. If you are able to analyse language, why aren't you doing so?[/quote]
I did refer to your analysis of her use of rhetorical devices in a previous post. As I said, just because she uses them doesn't mean her speech has no facts in it. Far from it - as I say to my students, if you have all devices and no details/facts then you've got all style and no substance. If it's just a series of facts dryly stated with no style then it may not be engaging for the reader, or listeners in this case - and that would be pretty disastrous for a tv show, even a factual one.

I'm not sure why you seem so convinced that facts and rhetoric are mutually exclusive. They need to be used skillfully in conjunction with each other, as was done in this example.

It's a disgrace

The BBC defines Newsnight in the magazine and review genre. That’s it’s official category.

@theduchessstill

Rhetoric has no place on a news programme.

@BubblesBuddy

The BBC defines Newsnight in the magazine and review genre. That’s it’s official category.

The first page shows magazine programmes.

The second page, which has Newsnight in the middle, consists of news broadcasts. See the descriptions I posted above. It is described as a news programme on the BBC website.

Nope. The pages I posted are continuous. No second page for Newsnight. It’s clearly under Magazines and Reviews. As I posted. In fact virtually any commentator who knows the programme refers to it as a magazine programme. It’s not News. It has diverse opinion and guests. That makes it a magazine programme. That also means it’s not necessarily factual because it seeks opinion. It can also challenge. The News clearly doesn’t challenge in the same way.

@AdoptedBumpkin You don't see any dissonance from the left wing? Really? I never cease to be amazed how the same left wing people who claim compassion, respect and tolerance will then post vicious haranguing diatribes at anyone who dares disagree with their viewpoint.
I honestly think this is why so many were shocked at the Brexit and election results, as people with different opinions just don't express them other than at the ballot box

She summed up what the vast majority of the country was and does still think.
But the BBC will still try and put down a female presenter, its what they do.

Newsnight needs so called controversial presenters or no one will watch it, its not the 6 Oclock News after all.

She should leave the BBC, its just a Govt mouthpiece now, which is their go too position when the Govt or the nation is in crisis, i think they see it as their civic duty?

Yes, that's right - people obviously stay up until nearly midnight to watch someone blandly reporting the news that's already been reported multiple times in the evening . Ffs, this is silly now.

If it becomes the norm that the BBC can pump out whatever left-wing propaganda it likes, then the licence fee will be dead, because millions will refuse to pay it, and the government is likely to do some drastic, er, restructuring of the service. Still, if that’s what you want...

@CalmYoBadSelf There is some dissonance on the left, especially the hard left, but there's also a lot of moderates who just want a fairer society.

@CendrillonSings

The licence fee needs to go, the BBC is too tightly bound to the Govt of the day, who control their funding and have restructured it regardless, inc making it an arm of the benefits system (pensioner licence fee) and pretty much disbanding the World Service.

Listened to kuenssberg on R4 telling us all how hard it was for a new Govt coming into power with a failed adult social care system and then finding they have to deal with a pandemic..... & there was me thinking they'd been in power for 10 years... no?

Its had its use but now should to go, we need another competitor to Sky news, Ch4 & ITV