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School not re opening

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Onone · 27/05/2020 15:06

Just that really,just had an email from my daughter’s school to say that they won’t be opening on 1st June, don’t know when it will either,Thanks to the mayor of our town,I’m quite upset for my daughter,Hardly any cases in my town

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 28/05/2020 08:10

No all workers require childcare or schools to be open. The majority of workers can just crack on in their new socially distanced enforced work place. When some of you go back into the office how many will you come into contact with?

For a primary teacher it will be some magic number that could between 15 and 32. Each vector coming in will have been hugged/kissed/dressed by a parent/career. Vectors may have toys/book bags etc that have been handled by parents/carers. Not all vectors can be expected to follow rules. Some vectors will need comforting.

Some teachers maybe reliant upon child minders/nurseries/nannies/others for own childcare. So yes teachers (including a lot on mumsnet) have the same problem too.

Aragog · 28/05/2020 08:43

Anecdotally, a neighbour of mine is a secondary English teacher and I saw her go for a 2 hour walk during the 'school day' today and almost 3 hours yesterday!

It's half term this week and some schools have decided to take the half term as a holiday.

Equally it may be that she is taking that time in the middle of the day and then working in the evening or weekend to a make up those hours. Many people who,are wfh at present are being more flexible with their hours, not just teachers either. Dh is a solicitor and a fair number of his colleagues have changed their hours to fit around wfh with children, for example.

My school has half term this week so there is no academic lessons on our home learning, though we have added some suggestions of other activities, etc. I used the weekend to set up these sessions to be posted at scheduled times this week. I do check the home learning app and emails during the day, but can do that on my phone wherever I am. As it's much less happening in there this week it's not as time consuming,
It was my Nana's funeral yesterday so I didn't work at all then. On Friday dh has taken a day's holiday so I will take the day completely too and do something non work,related together.

In term time (and over Easter) when posting more lessons, etc my work load has increased if anything. I am working 8am to 6pm most days. On the quieter days I am still working a full school day hours. And as the home learning can be an app on a phone too I see notifications come in at all times of day and night - obviously,I choose whether or not to even look,at them at those times. Parents and pupils post from around 6am in the morning, inc weekends and the latest I've seen in the evening was just before midnight.

spanieleyes · 28/05/2020 08:51

My first email this morning to deal with arrived at 7.17, last night I answered one at 9.12. And that's in the holiday. Normal school hours have gone by the board!

WombatChocolate · 28/05/2020 09:03

I'm interested that people are watching their neighbours who are teachers and noting times they are out for a walk or innthebyears eh during the school day.....sayingntheyvare not working a full day. Are they doing that with other professions too or is it just teachers?

I do think people forget that everyone is encouraged to be able to work flexibly at the moment and around their home needs - there are enough hours in the day to do it. I don't teach but I often take 3 hours in the middle of the day to do things with kids and we might go for a bike ride etc, but I hope people won't be clocking it or reporting me because actually I started at 7!

And I get that people worry about their children falling behind and so are interested in what schools are doing, but as others say, there's so much more that teachers are asked to do that relate directly to your child. The school leaders might have them planning resources (not for your child) or writing schemes of work or working on plans for the return to school or writing reports or completing paperwork of a myriad of types - all things which are a key part of the job too and people forget.

I find it quite upsetting that people start saying teachers pay should be cut when they don't have any idea of what they are doing and cannot tell by just looking at what their individual child is receiving. I mentioned before that my DH teacher worked every day over Easter hols, worked 12 hour days in the 2 weeks before lockdown and is averaging 4 hours a day this week over half term. He works about 8-9 hours in the week, but often does take 2 hours at lunch to spend time with the family. Perhaps some of his class parents are saying he doesn't mark enough or do enough hours I end lessons and should have his pay cut.

I really think that the trouble is, many parents have a very narrow view of what teaching involves. They can picture a classroom and their child and don't think of anything beyond that very direct contact. They also don't actually expect to have much input now because they see it purely as the teachers job - but when children do remote learning, the teachers role does change and so does that of the parent - it cannot be the same as school itself, although that doesn't mean teachers aren't working or that their role hasn't adapted and changed too.

Parents are worried, they worry about their child's progress and I think they worry about their own input into remote learning too - there's a sense of knowing that as a parent you have to step up, but not knowing if you're doing enough or if it's right, and lots of parents have some feelings of guilt (often mis placed) about it....and somehow that projects onto criticism of individual teachers or teachers in general, but somehow not the government policy or the pandemic itself.

I haven't seen any other job (many of which have changed enormously over the last weeks) told they should have a pay cut. We would struggle to describe what lots of roles are doing at home when they are usually in work, many of which are funded with public money, but don't say they should have pay cuts or noted own when they have a three hour walk in the middle of the day.

I can only think that people feel they need a named person to blame and so to personalise that is happening to the country and their children. Feeling cross with the chemistry teacher who apparently has not set much work and the work that was set was very dull, or with the year 2 teacher who directed parents to a website with some writing resources which provoked a row with the 7 year old who did t want to do it, gives someone to be cross with, when the neighbour down the road mentions their child at the private school who has 3 zoom lessons a day.

I think everyone feels a bit outsold control at the moment. We don't know what's happening at the moment or the exact next phase or if it will be safe or another lockdown coming,mor if we will have work or if our children will go backwards etc etc and lots of people like to fix their disquiet onto individuals and specific roles....and teachers are quite easy targets because everyone has an idea of what they spend much of their time doing and knows it's not happening in that exact form at the moment.

Pleasenodont · 28/05/2020 09:07

I think people believe the underlying illnesses are always massively serious things, it can be something like asthma or diabetes which millions of people live quite happily with usually. Teachers are human too, they don’t want to risk their lives which is understandable and some may live with a shielded person too. My Mother is a TA and she can’t work because her DH is shielded. Also pregnant women especially those in third trimester are at risk.

Schools can’t reopen without the staff. They’d need at least six teachers plus TA’s to make it work. I don’t really blame some for not reopening, the death toll isn’t exactly declining...

worstofbothworlds · 28/05/2020 09:18

I haven't seen any other job (many of which have changed enormously over the last weeks) told they should have a pay cut
We (lecturers) have been told this.

Witchcraftandhokum · 28/05/2020 09:22

We were set for a very partial opening for year 10's on the 8th. Yesterday the local authority issued guidance based on the latest advice from Sage for schools not to open until the 15th. It's not the schools making the decisions.

Piggywaspushed · 28/05/2020 09:29

That's not actually even SAGE ; that's the government. Boris announced it on International Cummings day.

Witchcraftandhokum · 28/05/2020 09:32

Sorry piggy I was just going on the Local Authority statement that said "following SAGE guidance"

Boreasauraus · 28/05/2020 09:33

Teachers are acting like the children are covid patients!

Exactly this - I have even been seeing children being called vectors which is a horrible way to refer to them

CallmeAngelina · 28/05/2020 09:47

I suspect there are probably quite a few teachers who might prefer to be put on Furlough and receive 80% of their salary - it would release them not only from a workload where every task takes twice as long or more to carry out online, but also from the incessant toxic sniping from the general public about how much/little work they are perceived to have been doing so far
After all, if it's nothing, then parents won't be any worse off, will they?

CallmeAngelina · 28/05/2020 09:49

Exactly this - I have even been seeing children being called vectors which is a horrible way to refer to them
I think that term came from the Government's Science advisers. No need to over-react; it's intended to take the emotion out of it.

GreenTulips · 28/05/2020 09:49

On one hand we are told children don’t transmit the virus, OK, if that’s the case why socially distance them?

On the other hand they’re are devising classrooms hand washing Plus PE/assemblies etc won’t happen because there’s a risk?

So which is it?

And a what age do they magically become adults and can transmit it? Some year 6’s are bigger than me, some 6th formers are legally adults.

They need to make their minds up.

Piggywaspushed · 28/05/2020 09:50

On one hand we are told children don’t transmit the virus

We haven't remotely been told that.

GreenGreenGrassofSloane · 28/05/2020 09:50

Vectors I agree - that’s a horrible way to describe a child.

cantkeepawayforever · 28/05/2020 09:59

GreenTulips,

My understanding is that the best case scenario from current research is that young children (primary age) are about half as likely to catch and transmit the virus, with the worst case scenario being that all children can transmit the virus pretty much the same as adults and older children. It is not thought that small children are 'superspreaders'.

That said, data is weak at the moment because of lockdown and school closures. It may well be that, because schools are an example of the type of environment where the virus is known to spread rapidly (long periods of time in close proximity in closed rooms with limited airflow), the virus will spread rapidly there even if children are just 'normal', or even 'lower than normal' spreaders, Infection probability is a function of contact closeness, time and 'infectability' - even if infectability is low, the very high contact time and closeness might make virus spread rapid.

We will have to see. Some data will come out of the limited school openings from next week (though closeness will be lower than normal).

DomDoesWotHeWants · 28/05/2020 10:02

Not everyone who claims to be a teacher is actually a teacher.

cantkeepawayforever · 28/05/2020 10:05

They need to make their minds up.

In all fairness, nobody knows. Those children and staff going back into school on Monday are, in a very real sense, guinea pigs....

Sirzy · 28/05/2020 10:08

Ds school had managed to put a plan in place, they where set up to have classes of up to 10. The local authority said yesterday that actually they didn’t think the 5 tests had all been met locally so therefore have suggested the schools don’t open.

When they do open the staff will still be setting work for at home as well as doing what they can safely for those who return.

It’s certainly not an easy time for teachers. Most are desperate to be able to get back to what they trained for

CallmeAngelina · 28/05/2020 10:18

Guinea pigs?
Cannon fodder is the term I'd use.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 28/05/2020 10:22

Yes @CallmeAngelina a government committee was referred to school vectors. Pleased to see someone else is keeping up with terminology used within government!

We can’t all just rely upon Mumsnet for information. And I suppose in the same way we can’t rely upon Boris/dfe etc for guidance consistency

cantkeepawayforever · 28/05/2020 10:26

To be fair, the younger children are not 'cannon fodder' - the excess deaths in the relevant age group from COVID are pretty much zero, and I can see that for those who are looking purely at the risks / benefits to their particular child, the balance for them (taken in isolation from the rest of society) would be in favour of a return to school.

The older teachers, and the older and more vulnerable members of households that teachers and children live in - yes, they are in danger. The balance between the risks to them from children remaining at home, in terms of inability to work, mental illness etc and from children going into school and coming into contact with COVID there is a MUCH more difficult one to weigh up.

We will know in a month which way it went.... There will either be a collective sigh of relief that spread of infection wasn't too bad, or a lot of bluster followed by a later 'Cheltenham races style' admission that maybe the wrong decision was made.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 28/05/2020 10:26

@GreenGreenGrassofSloane @Boreasauraus - watch clips from gov science panel quizzing the chief dfe science advisor and there are plenty of vectors and models. The most interesting part was that there had been little modelling done when the first dfe guidance came out which was a rather embarrassing moment for him and the dfe. No wander schools planning is in constant catch up

cantkeepawayforever · 28/05/2020 10:28

To be fair to the DfE, I don't think they have much input into this at all. Boris and his tiny circle of advisors decide what will be done, announce with great fanfare to the public, and the DfE has to scramble to make it happen in the same way as the schools are having to.

Beawillalwaysbetopdog · 28/05/2020 11:01

Isn't vectors just a scientific term for something/one that transmits a disease but doesn't suffer from it?
So like mosquitos and malaria?
I don't think it's intended as a derogatory term and seems quite apt for the under 10s. Possibly not accurate for secondary students since they have a higher risk of suffering from it.

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