To not understand the outrage at Dominic Cummings?

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Please don’t flame me for this. I’m not posting this to be controversial. I am someone who always tries to see the good in people which has been to my detriment at time’s in the past so I’m very well aware that maybe I’m missing something here and being too kind when he possibly doesn’t deserve it.

My understanding is that Dominic Cummings is saying that he only returned to Durham on one occasion which was because he had fears about potentially being unable to look after his child if him and his wife both ended up too unwell with Covid. I can understand the logic in that.

I appreciate the government advice at that stage was to stay home but if he genuinely didn’t have anyone to help with his son, then I can understand his fears and that he was trying to put his child first as any parent would.

My understanding is that a matter of days after, the government did clarify that travelling in the event of needing support with children if you had caught covid was an exceptional circumstance and that travel in that instance was acceptable.

I personally live hundreds of miles from family and don’t have anyone I could ask for help in the local area was I to become unwell with Covid so this does resonate with me.

I understand that there were sightings of Dominic Cummings on other dates in Durham which indicate that he travelled back up there. If this is true, I definitely agree that he needs to be sacked, but at this stage, there is no proof of this.

Am I missing something here?

"It's getting a bit much now."

People are fucking furious with very good reason. This is not going away in a hurry.

*It's getting a bit much now."

*clutching pearls.

global pandemic, national lockdown, gaslighting gov breaks own rules.

Too right

I won't support the braying mob because I am not hypocritical and know I would have called on family help in a similar situation. Ideally got them to come to me but if I had felt well enough to drive, taken the 4 year old to them.

There are millions of people all over the country who adhered to the regulations in the most difficult of circumstances. They self-isolated as soon as a household member had symptoms, meaning they had to rely on other people for food. Single parents continued looking after their own children while desperately ill themselves. People stayed away from elderly, frail parents even though they wanted to visit them. Sons and daughters refrained from visiting their dying parents in hospital.

So you're not a hypocrite. By which you mean you too would break the law and put other people's lives at risk for your own personal convenience.

No doubt you imagine this makes you a better person than the "braying mob" - or "those who made huge personal sacrifices for the greater good" as some of us prefer to think of it. Guess what? It doesn't. It just makes you a nasty, selfish, callous piece of shit.

Anyone know what time DC’s statement will be?

It will be more excuses, perhaps an apology, no way will he resign to protect the governments public health message.

He will use his child's autism as an excuse. He will use being a parent and panicking. Perhaps his Uncles death. All reasonable in normal circumstances, but sorry DC, this is exactly what people and good parents up and down the country are going through due to this highly contagious disease and were instructed by you and your team to stay at home and make sacrifices much greater to save lives from a highly contagious disease.

Without explaining, with no excuses, exactly why you were special enough, while infected, to break the guidance you help create and others have endured in horrific circumstances this won't go away.

I’ll take an apology. I don’t want him to resign. Johnson is jelly as it is.

"It's getting a bit much now."

Totally agree, which is exactly why he need to resign. To restore some confidence in the government and so the more important issues are front and center again.

If he apologises we know it’s a fake one so he has to resign if they want to move on and retain credibility.

It’s interesting to note the highly emotive and often gendered language which by funny coincidence so many of these new posters are engaging in, designed to create the impression Cummings’ critics are irrational.

Hysterical.
Witch hunt.
Mob.
Pearl clutching.
Braying.

Anyone know what time DC’s statement will be?

No details yet. But I bet it'll have a bigger audience than an Only Fools and Horses Christmas special

And there'll be a boom in TV sales shortly after, the result of so many people (including me) throwing things at the screen.

what's a new poster? @ChocolatelyAsFuck

I don't want him to resign. He's going to Johnson's puppet master whether visible or not, so better to have him where he can be kept an eye on.

A new poster is someone who joined mumsnet today, lured by this fascinating thread, but who hasn't had a chance to look round the rest of the talk boards yet.

He had better resign or I won’t be voting Tory again.

He's going to Johnson's puppet master whether visible or not

Without access to the civil service, the cabinet or SAGE, he has no influence. You can’t be a puppet master in politics without those things.

Stay Home. Protect the NHS. Save lives.

Up to Cummings to provide very good reasons why he wasn't able to do those things. He hasn't done that so far.

He probably was scared. I reckon he thought that if he and his wife needed to be hospitalised, they would rather be in the less affected NE, than in London, which at the time was in fear of being overwhelmed with cases, if you remember? 111 and paramedics had been instructed to triage only 7 and above, on the 1-10 scale, for hospital admissions. At this level people were already very ill. This was revised down to 3-5 on April 10. I think he thought, at the time he went, that Durham was a more comfy option all round.

A new poster is someone who joined mumsnet today, A new poster is someone who joined mumsnet today, lured by this fascinating thread, but who hasn't had a chance to look round the rest of the talk boards yet. by this fascinating thread, but who hasn't had a chance to look round the rest of the talk boards yet.

And with respect so what?

I said "pearl clutching" for the lols tbh and I've been here years.

'new' . Peak MN .

No details yet. But I bet it'll have a bigger audience than an Only Fools and Horses Christmas special grin

Just saw on Sky News that the eye witness who says he saw DC and family in Barnard Castle on a day out and noted down the car reg was right on that the car reg DOES belong to DC

I want judging about a new poster, just answering your question.

The witch hunt is immeasurably more appalling than Dominic Cummings indiscretion. I guess most people don't allow that to get in the way of their hate for Tories concern that lockdown was slightly transgressed. After all, we all followed the rules to the letter didn't we?

I said said "pearl clutching" for the lols tbh and I've been here years.

Why would anyone need to name change to give their view on DC?

The outpouring of hate and negativity over this weirdly upsets me more than the act

This sums up exactly how I feel. Seeing the reporters acting like a baying mob outside Cummings house yesterday and the spite and sheer nastiness of many of the comments here is very disturbing.

@ShinyS1 yep. I did. To the letter. Didn't you?

I have followed lockdown rules. Many did.
This ' we're all liars and crooks together' thing is annoying me.
Millions did what they were asked to do.

@ShinyS1 you assume too much. I’m a floating voter who didn’t vote in the last general election or vote in the Brexit referendum. I don’t give a shit about party politics. But I want DC gone.

@wrinklin
His sister then but he drove to his parents estate so whether it was his sister,mother or great aunt fanny he shouldn’t have done it.