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riveted1 · 24/05/2020 10:29

Re: Dominic Cummings

In response to the fresh claims, Downing Street said: "Yesterday the Mirror and Guardian wrote inaccurate stories about Mr Cummings.

"Today they are writing more inaccurate stories including claims that Mr Cummings returned to Durham after returning to work in Downing Street on 14 April.

"We will not waste our time answering a stream of false allegations about Mr Cummings from campaigning newspapers."

The utter ARROGANCE of it. Reassuring the public that a senior member of government isn't a lying corrupt twunt isn't a waste of time. It is actually breathtaking how little they seem to care about public opinion.

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cardibach · 24/05/2020 13:42

Sorry, @NiceTwin it’s. Autocorrect buggered up my tag.

ArgumentativeAardvaark · 24/05/2020 13:44

Cross post @Tarararara. Though I think statement says that it was DC father who informed them he was there?

BackInTime · 24/05/2020 13:45

Durhamgate is just the most recent in a long line of despicable acts by this man with no
morals and highly questionable views driving his personal agenda through government. He treats the public with contempt and scorn and is willing to peddle lies to get what he wants. Cambridge Analytica, Vote Leave electoral fraud, £350mill for the NHS lies in the side of a bus for starters

UntamedWisteria · 24/05/2020 13:45

OP, that statement was almost certainly written by DC.

What is interesting is the choice of words. "inaccurate" is not the same as "untrue". Which suggests that the substance of the story is probably correct, just a few details may be wrong.

Also he is trying very hard to make out that criticism is politically motivated (this has been in most of the messages put out by government.) That's because it's the only way to defend the indefensible.

madroid · 24/05/2020 13:48

@ArgumentativeAardvaarkrgu because the Cummings' family arrogance and hubris is such that they didn't think the stupid public would ever find out or object to them breaking the rules.

I think Cummings' wife, Mary Wakefield's piece in the Spectator shows that clearly as she never mentions leaving London in her whole account of them getting covid.

endofthelinefinally · 24/05/2020 13:48

It doesn't matter what anybody thinks about the government policy on travelling/visiting relatives etc. The point is that a senior person (who is running the country for all intents and purposes) has blatantly broken the "rules" and is now lying about it. Downing street is endorsing those lies and defending him.
That, IMO, tells us all we need to know about this government and the culture of lying and covering up.

ArgumentativeAardvaark · 24/05/2020 13:50

@madrioid

I think Cummings' wife, Mary Wakefield's piece in the Spectator shows that clearly as she never mentions leaving London in her whole account of them getting covid.

See my post at around 12.30 today. I made that exact point.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie · 24/05/2020 13:50

So they went just in case?! Bloody hell. Either it was an emergency or it wasn’t. Can’t have it both ways.

ArgumentativeAardvaark · 24/05/2020 13:51

Sorry, it was the 11.59 one

CuriousPixie · 24/05/2020 13:53

Just about every area has organised some sort of community help to be there in exactly these sort of situations. I read a tweet from his local volunteer place in Islington stating just that. I do the shopping and medicine supplies for a local family round the corner from me who have been shielding in their small flat for ten weeks now. Ten weeks without a foot over the door! I don't even know what they look like - they contacted the local help number and were put in touch with me. They leave the list outside and close the door before I even get through the security door. They have put their trust in me because communities help each other. It's what was expected of us - NOT to drive a great distance and risk spreading the virus.

Aside from the fact that they had family and friends nearby and
they were covid positive but still well enough to make a 250 mile journey.

Wrong is always wrong even if everyone is doing it, right is always right even if no-one is doing it!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie · 24/05/2020 13:58

CuriousPixie unfortunately many take the view it’s only wrong if you get caught. Cummings takes it even further.

madroid · 24/05/2020 14:16

Spectator piece

www.spectator.co.uk/article/getting-coronavirus-does-not-bring-clarity (if was free to view yesterday but has now been covered up and put behind a paywall)

This from 1;48 on Radio 4: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000hmyy
broadcast on 24 April 2020.

‘Uncertainty is the hallmark of the coronavirus, when you’ve got it the sense of medieval unknowing only deepens. Is this definitely it? Will it get worse? Will it come back? My version of the virus began with a nasty headache and a grubby feeling of unease. After which I threw up on the bathroom floor.’That’s disgusting mum’ said my four year old son, handing me a towel with a look of patronising distaste.

‘I’ve never known a bug treat its victims so differently. My friends have reported stabbing sore throats, a loss of taste and smell and a numbness in their fingertips. One slight but sad effect of this is that it makes phoning friends to share coronavirus stories parculiarly unsatisfying. ‘Weren’t the muscle aches awful? Oh you didn’t get it. No, no sore throats for me. Oh well.’

‘That evening as I lay on the sofa a happy thought occurred to me. If this was the virus then my husband who works 16 hour days as a rule, would have to come home. I let myself imagine a fortnight in bed with mild symptoms, more fool me. My husband did rush home to look after me, he’s an extremely kind man whatever people assume to the contrary.

‘But 24 hours later he said ‘I feel weird’ and collapsed. I felt breathless, sometimes achy, but Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in day out he lay doggo for ten days he had a high fever, with spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe but only in a limited shallow way. After a week we reached peak corona uncertainty, day six is a turning point I was told, when you either get better or head for ICU. Was Dom fighting off the bug or was he heading for a ventilator, who knew?

‘I sat on his bed staring at his chest trying to count his breaths per minute. The little oxygen reader we’d bought on Amazon indicated he should be in hospital, but his lips weren’t blue and he could talk in full sentences. Such as ‘please stop staring at my chest sweet heart’. My son in his doctor’s uniform administered Ribena with the grim insistence of a Broadmoor nurse.’ And this might be my only really useful advice for other corona parents or single mothers with pre-schoolers. Get out the doctor's kit, make it your child's job to take your temperature, any game that involves lying down is a good game.

‘Just as Dom was beginning to feel better it was reported that Boris was heading in the other direction into hospital. I’ve been a slack Christian during this era of biblical plague, churches are shut, even Catholic churches. One of the reasons I converted is that Catholic churches are always open the sanctuary uplit – and now they are closed it feels like someone has turned off the spiritual stopcock. But what is there to do for the sick now except pray? I got to my knees for Boris and found to my surprise that my prayers flowed easily. As if carried along in a current of others.’

thistimelastweek · 24/05/2020 14:19

Either it was an emergency or it wasn't

Perhaps the emergency was the prospect of looking after his own child 24/7.

Aridane · 24/05/2020 14:21

Yes, the breathtaking arrogance of the statement is astonishing

Alsohuman · 24/05/2020 14:28

I am surprised at how many people here think everything in the press is true, whichever side you're on, for anything

If it wasn’t true, surely he’d have denied it? There’s been no denial, just attempts at justification. This would have gone quietly away if he’d held his hands up, admitted he was wrong and apologised. God knows who’s advising No 10 on media relations these days, whoever it is should be sacked along with Cummings.

MeganBacon · 24/05/2020 14:30

In fairness, two points:

  1. This was done before we knew as much as we know now about who is likely to become seriously ill, and who isn't.
  2. None of us, as far as I am aware, know that DC or his wife do not have underlying conditions. For all we know one of them could be a Type 1 diabetic which we now know is riskier than Type 2.
In view of so much uncertainty, and how reluctant I would be to have my four year old cared for by social services or strangers, and the lack of contact he had, I have to say I would probably have done the same thing. But I am not a senior public figure.
MeganBacon · 24/05/2020 14:32

The baying for blood is getting ugly now. Makes me think that it's not about what he did, it's about the fact that someone wants to undermine government or that he has no friends in government. Certainly the latter is true.

Thinkingabout1t · 24/05/2020 14:33

Brilliant! I've just seen a Red Molotov T-shirt, designed like rock band tour merchandise, but with these words on the front:

"Dominic Cummings
THE LOCKDOWN TOUR
2020
London, Durham, Barnard Castle, Durham, London ..."

He's been there, done that, now someone can give him the T-shirt!

MetalMidget · 24/05/2020 14:34

It’s also clear from the wife’s article that he was in the verge of hospitalisation. So he was risking bringing the virus from London to another part of the country and taking up a local hospital bed.

The timings in her article are a bit odd. She claims he was bedridden for 10 days...:

Day in day out he lay doggo for ten days he had a high fever, with spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs.

(Doggo means to remain motionless).

...and on day 6 they weren't sure if he was going to be hospitalised:

After a week we reached peak corona uncertainty, day six is a turning point I was told, when you either get better or head for ICU. Was Dom fighting off the bug or was he heading for a ventilator, who knew?

He was seen running away from Downing Street 29th March. But the family arrived 31st March at the latest, so he was well enough to travel a long distance on the Saturday or Sunday. He was seen in his parents' garden with his son listening to ABBA on April 5th, so those ten days (or even the seven day of 'peak uncertainty') obviously couldn't include 31st - 5th.

But they couldn't have happened afterwards, because he was seen having a walk with the family on the 12th, and was back at work on the 14th.

Also, not sure if it's related, but his mom has a birthday in April...

Thinkingabout1t · 24/05/2020 14:39

Just about every area has organised some sort of community help to be there in exactly these sort of situations

Not to mention that Cummings could easily afford full-time home nursing care and a live-in nanny!

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/05/2020 14:42

I read the article yesterday. She sounds like a right drama queen. As does he. The way he ran away from DS and ran to mummy and daddy tells us everything we need to know about this man.

MeganBacon
I don’t see it as baying for blood. Our country is not being run by BJ but by this vile and cowardly man. This government is slowly morphing away toward an autocracy, which has more in common with the nazi party than I would like.

RandomLondoner · 24/05/2020 14:54

Also he is trying very hard to make out that criticism is politically motivated

I think almost all criticism of political figures is probably politically motivated.

Are the the newspapers involved the same ones that took the lead in getting Peter Mandelson sacked, twice? (I don't remember the details, I'm just assuming a newspaper-led public outcry was involved, as it usually is. And that right-wing papers devoted more space to getting him removed.)

I suppose there's a bit of a false dichotomy in the comment, it's assumed a criticism can't be politically motivated as well as accurate and fair.

(I've just googled Peter Mandelson sacked, and strangely enough, the first link is to the Telegraph. Not the Guardian, for some reason.)

YeOldeTrout · 24/05/2020 15:01

"Just as Dom was beginning to feel better it was reported that Boris was heading in the other direction into hospital."

DC sprinted away from DStreet on 27 March.
No one disputes that Cummings family were in Durham on 31 March (that's when Durham constabulary found out). My bet is the family went to Durham on Saturday the 28th, and he "collapsed" that evening ("24 hours later").

MW says DC was stuck in bed for 10 days.
BJ was admitted to hospital on evening of 5 April.
Yeah the timing of MW's account seems like a miscount. I suppose she wasn't hired for her numeracy skills.
I guess 10 days very ill in bed was really 8 days?

itsgettingweird · 24/05/2020 15:05

Aardvark I think the point at which Grant Shapps said he actually had no idea and hadn't even spoken to him was him possibly a little realisation he'd been thrown to the wolves. That he wasn't special enough to protect. I'd be really interesting to see where his stance goes from here on in. But Andrew Marr was amazing when he tried to discuss transport and purpling it all back to corona Cummings travel.

Experimenopause · 24/05/2020 15:06

This man must go now. I am sick of the lies this government is putting forward to save his skin despite eye witness accounts and the Durham police!