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Is this anti American

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NotNowPlzz · 23/05/2020 14:58

I absolutely can't abide some americanisms creeping into everyday speech, particularly...

Takeout
Stay home.. supposed to be stay AT home
Go play... Supposed to be go AND play
And one I use movie, which is meant to be film

Am I being anti American?
YABU for yes
YANBU for no

OP posts:
MooseBreath · 25/05/2020 10:00

@lazylinguist Surely it should be "She's in the hospital"? Hospital isn't a proper noun and therefore requires an article?

lazylinguist · 25/05/2020 10:17

@lazylinguist Surely it should be "She's in the hospital"? Hospital isn't a proper noun and therefore requires an article?

No it shouldn't, because (like most of these things), it's idiomatic usage. That's why it's so pointless trying to argue about all these expressions on the grounds of logic or grammar.

In any case, the lack of a definite article in your hospital example is perfectly normal when referring to things like institutions in general (rather than a specific hospital, for example). Apparently American English prefers 'in the hospital', but like us, they certainly don't seem to say 'in the jail', 'at the university/school/college' or 'See you in the court!'.

Coffeecak3 · 25/05/2020 10:26

I don't mind movie or film but fillum as the Irish often say does irritate me. Also the American pronunciation of school as schoo-ul which my adult dd still uses after watching American teen soaps over 10 years ago.

Helendee · 25/05/2020 10:27

So what if you are anti American?
It’s hardly a sin!

lazylinguist · 25/05/2020 10:31

So what if you are anti American?

You think it's ok to be prejudiced against the entire, incredibly diverse population of an enormous country?

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 10:40

@MooseBreath..

In fact with institutions such as school/hospital/prison/university/church whether or not you use the definite article changes your meaning.
So 'he is in hospital ' has a different meaning to 'he is in the hospital '. And so on with the others.

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 10:41

And there is nothing 'wrong' with saying 'fillum'!

bluebluezoo · 25/05/2020 10:45

Poop!

I’m seeing poop more and more. Can’t stand it. We have loads of words, poo, shit, excrement, faeces... why do we need poop?

It sounds like my mother trying to avoid “rude” words like poo by inventing something that sounds similar...

Justathinslice · 25/05/2020 10:47

Funny how no one ever gets upset about Canadianisms-oh but we do! Davenports are evil

What's a Davenport?

bluebluezoo · 25/05/2020 10:48

Surely 'can I get' asked of the waitress should be 'may I have

I thought this was a scots expression? I lived in scotland in my 20’s and noticed the use of can I get then...

bluebluezoo · 25/05/2020 10:57

What I do dislike is the american habit of re-editing books to cater for their own dialect.

It never happens the other way round- i have read many books written by or set in america and am perfectly capable of figuring out americanisms like suspenders.

But even Harry Potter- can americans really not understand a philosopher’s stone to the point it needs renaming the sorcerer’s stone? Renaming cars automobiles and football soccer, switching skip for dumpster... www.hp-lexicon.org/2001/08/25/differences-between-british-and-us-versions-of-ps/

greengauges · 25/05/2020 11:09

YANBU.

No, it's not anti-American at all. They can mangle change the English language all they like, but I'd prefer English to stay English.

I don't particularly want it to have an Australian twang to it either (or anywhere else in the world where English is commonly spoken).

We invented it. I don't want American pronunciation to become the default version of English.

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 11:15

You didn't invent anything. English language is a bastArd mix of all the languages of the places that invaded these islands. In fact the purest British is probably Welsh and we know what English speakers think about that

lazylinguist · 25/05/2020 11:20

We invented it. I don't want American pronunciation to become the default version of English.

That's no excuse for the unpleasant and scathing remarks people make about Americans and their use of language though. It's not as if the average U.S. citizen is actually trying to shoehorn Americanisms into British English by force or stealth. And as for 'we invented it'... I'm not going to even bother to begin to pick holes in that statement!

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 11:22

It's fascinating in fact I recommend David Crystal 'the stories of English'.

Abbccc · 25/05/2020 11:23

People think using American words is cool. They want to sound like people on Youtube and in films. That's what makes it annoying. Nothing to do with not liking Americans.

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 11:25

@greengauges...so if 'English should remain English' does that mean that the way it is spoken in Wales Scotland Nd Ireland is 'wrong'?

Coffeecak3 · 25/05/2020 11:34

@destroyedpeople never said it was wrong, just said it irritates me. Probably because the likes of Father Ted and Mrs Brown really exaggerate how they say fillum.

ItsGoingTibiaK · 25/05/2020 11:36

How disappointing life must be when you get irritated by different uses of language rather than curious and interested.

If you actually research the etymology of many “Americanisms”, you’ll discover that they’re actually Britishisms - it was us that bastardised the language while Americans retained the traditional forms.

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 11:44

My granny and her sisters used to say 'fillum'......it's not only irritating tv shows..have to agree with you Re mrs brown it is ghastly

Enchantmentz · 25/05/2020 11:47

Language on its own evolves all the time and english is an exception, we haven't invented it but it has evolved and borrows a lot of words from other languages and cultures around the world, from being occupied, by colonising and international relations for centuries.

There are a lot of words we would think of as english but we would be wrong. Can't remember which century but even how we wrote was different at one time, like the absence of the letters V and S replaced with U and F and many other things.

I correct my dc for some americanisms like gas when she means petrol, as it isn't correct in the english context.

Enchantmentz · 25/05/2020 11:48

Meant to say English is not an exception*

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 11:48

Yes a lot of people get upset by the Caribbean dialect word 'arksed' for asked which has come back to us through pist war immigration. n fact that was the standard pronunciation of the word 500 years ago or thereabouts.
Some of the sniffiest nd most ignorant language supremacists I have met were in fact tefl teachers which is a worry.

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 11:50

Gas is perfectly 'correct' ...accelerator is a ridiculous long word. That is why driving instructors invariably use 'gas'

ItsGoingTibiaK · 25/05/2020 11:55

Why are posts complaining about language always so badly written and punctuated?

Oh, and I think you should stop using the word “anti”. It is, after all, an annoying Greekism.

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