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Is this anti American

143 replies

NotNowPlzz · 23/05/2020 14:58

I absolutely can't abide some americanisms creeping into everyday speech, particularly...

Takeout
Stay home.. supposed to be stay AT home
Go play... Supposed to be go AND play
And one I use movie, which is meant to be film

Am I being anti American?
YABU for yes
YANBU for no

OP posts:
KrakowDawn · 25/05/2020 01:07

@Destroyedpeople in Britain a yard is paved/tarmacked, whereas in the USA, it is any land on your house plot, so grassed, wooded, paved, everything.
Yards are usually tiny (about same footprint as the house) or communal in some flats (like mine).

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 01:12

Yes I know very well that 'yard' has slightly different meanings depending on which version of English you are speaking, thanks....
My point was that brits getting their panties in a bunch (knickers in a twist) about it just shows a total lack of awareness of English as a world language.

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 01:14

...when the fact that their language is international means they can speak it all over the world...

Viviennemary · 25/05/2020 01:15

Gotten drives me mad. Though it's supposed to be old English. And Mom.

HerRoyalNotness · 25/05/2020 01:23

Oh, and the Americanism is "Shelter in place", btw, not "Stay at home."

Except our county judge in Texas dithered for several days over that wording “shelter in place” as it’s used for shootings, so went with “stay home” instead

Justathinslice · 25/05/2020 01:30

Funny how no one ever gets upset about Canadianisms

No irony that people who start these sorts of threads are making sweeping generalisations, ( eh?)

drigon · 25/05/2020 03:04

'Movies' for 'films' has been around for ages - at least 60 years in UK books and TV. I read it in a Neville Shute book recently from the 50s ( he was English but lived later in Aus) and on a 60s documentary on BBC Iplayer.

barkingfly · 25/05/2020 06:44

Funny how no one ever gets upset about Canadianisms-oh but we do! Davenports are evil!

missyoumuch · 25/05/2020 06:55

I grew up in America then moved to the UK.

I find the way people from London/SE mispronounce the sound “th” as “f” to be extremely grating. I managed to survive without going online to insult people’s regional accents, let alone say to their faces.

But plenty of people in England would feel it was acceptable to “correct” me for saying elevator instead of lift as if I were a child.

The sun set on the British Empire decades ago. American English, Indian English, Australian English are co-equal if not dominant forms of the language now depending on where you live. Accept it and move on.

MindyStClaire · 25/05/2020 07:18

First thought on these threads is always that lots of so called Americanisms are in fact Irish or Scottish - can I get, gotten, mom, Santa, Halloween from the ones listed on this thread off the top of my head.

Then that makes them acceptable.

And then, why does that make them acceptable, but words or phrases which actually do come from America are not?

Americanism is definitely a synonym for "bad" on MN, I can't imagine it's a pleasant place for American posters to be sometimes.

EdwinaMay · 25/05/2020 07:28

Americanisms because they are picked up from American movies or tv series.
Hence you are unlikely to get many Canadianisms.
Go potty - is the worst Americanism imv.
I find the way people from London/SE mispronounce the sound “th” as “f” to be extremely grating

I agree

missyoumuch · 25/05/2020 07:31

Americanisms because they are picked up from American movies or tv series.
Hence you are unlikely to get many Canadianisms.

Actually a large number of “American” television is filmed in Canada with Canadian actors. Paw Patrol for example is Canadian which is why one character has a French speaking cousin. But it’s assumed to be American!

EdwinaMay · 25/05/2020 07:31

Surely 'can I get' asked of the waitress should be 'may I have'

TheBusDriver · 25/05/2020 07:39

I hate it in the uk when bath is pronounced barth where has the r come from

Roundtoedshoes · 25/05/2020 07:42

I don’t think so OP. Language is always evolving, but I do find myself cringing a bit when I hear grown ups using Americanisms. For example, a friend the other day posted on SM that she cut herself some bangs. WTF? It’s a fringe love - stop trying to be on point (or whatever the fashionable thing to be is!). Another friend mentioned in a group chat that it was hard being working moms. Nope. Mums. We are mums (30 something Londoners - not from the midlands before I get flamed!) - thankfully the comment was ignored!

I have to accept that movie is quite the norm now, but I always say film. And it’s the pictures. Honestly I’m not that old 😂 I also consciously avoid a lot of children’s TV that has a lot of American shows and choose British programming. Not because I dislike Americans, I watch American programmes myself, I just prefer to have my DC stay in their nappy and not their diaper for a while longer!

Biker47 · 25/05/2020 07:59

"I could care less" Hmm So, you do care then.

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 08:26

I wouldn't expect someone from London to be that .....well...linguistically limited. 'Now even midlanders are wrong saying 'mom' are they? Good grief when your child goes to school have you any idea how many languages will be spoken in the playground ? Not to mention dialects of English. And you will be there going 'they're all wrong! We are so superior!'.
Sad tbh and probably part of the reason that brits and esp the English are so bad at languages

Roundtoedshoes · 25/05/2020 08:54

@Destroyedpeople if your comment is directed at me, I apologise for my linguistic limitations! No need to get your knickers in a twist. From my understanding (learnt from MN), people in the Midlands (and some other parts of the UK) use mom instead of mum. I have no issue with that. But as a Londoner, its definitely mum. And when I saw my friend using mom, I did eye roll. Not in a superior way. That would be weird... I’m quite a aware of the diversity of the City I live in. I feel very lucky to live in such a place. Yes all of the English are bad at languages and are terrible people 🙄

If your comment was not directed at me, I do apologise in a very British way!

Coffeekisses · 25/05/2020 08:55

I don’t think it anti American.

I use lots of Americanisms eg movie instead of film. There’s nothing wrong with language changing.

However it makes me irrationally ragey when people miss out the conjunctions eg “lets go bed” “do you need to go toilet” ARGH.

SpongebobNoPants · 25/05/2020 08:58

Heading “Off of” literally makes me want to punch the person talking in the throat. It irrational irritates me Angry

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 09:20

@Roundtoedshoes ofc you are bot a 'terrible person' dont be so dramatic but it is this attitude passed on down the line that limits our language learning.

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 09:21

Not

lazylinguist · 25/05/2020 09:24

I hate it in the uk when bath is pronounced barth where has the r come from.

There is no 'r' sound. It's a long 'a' - more like 'bah th'.

Roundtoedshoes · 25/05/2020 09:39

@Destroyedpeople - now I’m sad I didn’t get to enjoy being terrible for a while longer 😂

Seriously though, why do you think it’s bad to retain ones own dialect? I appreciate that different parts of the country use language differently, and I will not recoil in horror (OK, maybe inwardly!) when my DC say they want to catch a movie - they are a different generation, but I don’t feel it’s anti-American or limiting learning to carry on speaking the way I do. I know that Americans use, for example, elevator for lift, sidewalk for pavement and (snigger) fanny for bum, but I’d feel like a bit of a tit saying any of these things. I understand them, and wouldn’t eye roll at someone who uses these words if that’s how they are said where they come from, but that’s not how I speak. It doesn’t make me a Stone Age person.

Destroyedpeople · 25/05/2020 09:45

I don't think it's bad to retain a dialect!

But all dialects are equal....not that the London one is more equal... (Sorry George orwell)

A lot of people in london are getting upset about the new dialect that has emerged.

They dismiss it as affected and call it 'jafaykan'. In fact it's fascinating and definitely worth reading up on wiki has an excellent entry on it. It's called multicultural London English.

In fact do read up on it as your little one will be coming home from school talking like that. ..

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