253 people under the age of 60 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK

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I'm in no way trying to minimise these deaths at all but I wondered if people were aware of this number. Every day we hear the number of deaths, but this is never broken down into categories that we can relate to ourselves.
30 people under the age of 45 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK.
AIBU to want people to know this because I don't think enough people realise.

Re holding on slightly longer then easing for everybody. It would help if we actually had proper border restrictions. Like many other countries. I can't see the R rate going or staying down unless we implement checks and proper quarantine. The government proposals from 8 June will ask people to self isolate after they reach their destination (home, hotel, etc). Which may will travel to on public transport.

What happens when furlough ends? Do we still sit at home with no money? I’m not fussed going to the pictures, restaurant, bars or theatre, would just like to go back to work and my daughter to go back to school.

@purpleme12 did you get any blood test results indicating what was wrong with your kidneys?
If you had raided creatinine it might indicate Chronic kidney disease which would put you on the list of vulnerable people.

There was nothing wrong with my blood it's the urine that shows there's something wrong. But I was due to have an MRI but God knows when that's going to happen now. He said it's not like serious worry about but we need to keep an eye on it cos if you don't it could get worse. But we don't know what's wrong/the cause cos of covid delaying it
Could be a heart problem but it's more likely a kidney problem they think at the minute

Don't care if it's one - if that one is your child sister or other family member /friend it's personally horrific and so sad

Austerity killed thousands:

bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722.full

But no one cared because they were poor people.

The summary you link to seems to focus on deaths of the over 60s in care homes.

Plus ca change plus c’est le meme chose - except now we can throw the elderly under the bus and shrug at the care homes massacre

Does anyone else remember the fuss about Y2K? Planes were going to fall out of the sky and the world was going to end at the stroke of midnight... but then it didn't and everyone said "what a load of fuss about nothing!" Whereas in reality, teams of computer boffins worked hard and took steps to fix the problems so that the worst case scenario didn't materialise.

Whilst 300 people is a proportionately small number compared to the population as a whole, isn't it only that small because the nation has taken steps to avoid the worst case scenario from happening? Who knows what the number would be if we hadn't been socially distancing for the last 2 months?

You are right OP but the fear is still palpable.

The Y2K thing always gets trotted out, but not the fact that as well as an actual problem that needed to be fixed, there was also a massive freak out about doomsday scenarios that were never remotely possible.

Also the fact that the "computer boffins" absolutely milked that panic for their own ends on terms of the fees they demanded, and got, for dealing with a problem that was never actually going to end up with planes falling out of the sky and an end to civilisation as we know it.

It is both a useful reminder of the fact that big problems can be solved AND a warning that fear potential problems will be milked by industry insiders for their own short term gain.

Anybody who says that Y2K is an example of hard working geniuses heroically saving the world is either a fool or a "computer boffin" wity their eye on the next pay day.

Y2K is an example of how panic created opportunity for the unscrupulous.

Or does it show how many people ars living with underlying healh conditions?

OP, i hear you, statistically the numbers are low.

The "what about me?" posters, i hear you too.

But what about all the people whose mortality is statistically negatively affected by austerity, driving, work place accidents and others. There is always a risk to life but suddenly this one trumps all and it is beginning to piss me off.

I do also think that getting local health services geared up to deal with those ill is very much our society's responsibility. And care homes and other institutions that support those who are vulnerable need to be supported properly.

I have asthma but i just think we are bad at assessing risk. There are many things that are likely to kill me, most probably (statistically) being on the road in the country i live in. Yes, this virus is awful but the vast majority of the under 60s will be OK. That really needs to be taken into consideration.

@purpleme12 - do ask gp/hospital about the plan and whether any checks are being made to make sure the problem is not getting worse. It could be a ‘just in case’, long term issue that they are investigating, but do ask for clarity about the delay and timescales.

This is interesting, 3 under 15 year olds have died of coronvirus, the hysteria of children dying from this ridiculous.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024

In Mexico and other countries where, due to poverty, the virus is spreading unchecked, the number of younger people dying from it is much higher than in the West.

Maybe all these people have underlying conditions. Or maybe younger people are only very unlikely to die if good medical help is on hand. Which would be a good reason not to overwhelm the NHS, even if you're the sort of person who doesn't give a monkeys for the old and "sick".

Please show me the numbers of younger people dying from coronvirus in Mexico and other countries?

Probably anecdotal as collecting that data officially is difficult in poorer countries

So how do you many young people are dying from coronvirus in Mexico without data? 120 million in India die of starvation but you could just say they died of coronvirus without any medical data?

Exactly (it wasn't me that claimed it btw)

People should read the article that Alex50 has linked to - puts things into perspective!

However we have had lockdown - this number is a result of that, it hasn’t effected each age group equally (in all senses of health, economic etc.). Lockdown is not just for ‘me’ it’s about how it spreads to ‘others.’ At some point lockdown should and will end, again the benefits and costs effect age groups differently. That’s before you start factoring gender and race. A densely packed island could not have missed out the lockdown phase (for any age group). No one is expendable

or does it show how many people have a health conditions

Yes because the bar is so low. We're talking things like asthma which for most people are easily managed and controlled. Health conditions like asthma are also more common now due to the atmosphere and rampant pollution, certainly in the cities.

Given how so many will have some health condition or other (in my circle of friends and most of family everyone would consider to have at least one health condition even though most are generally healthy) the fact 253 perfectly healthy young people have still dropped dead actually is concerning.

@MadameMarie but even with health conditions your risk is low if under 45. Children with asthma are very low risk.

That is fewer than the number we would have expected to die on the roads since lockdown.

People in our country need a reality check. We can't stay in lockdown forever, it has already gone on too long.

There is no imminent vaccine in sight so unless we want an economic depression we have to find a way to live with the risk.

The old and very vulnerable need to shield.

The ones with less serious pre existing conditions need to take extra precautions to avoid getting the virus but to also reduce the viral load of they do get it.

But this needs to end. I dread to think how harshly future generations will judge us for wrecking the economy through our cowardice.

@Alex50 yes I agree but that is the point. The chances of me dying of covid are very unlikely but even if I did I'd go down as someone who had an underlying health condition anyway and not added to these stats

There's mild health conditions and much more serious obecand pumping them all together as 'underlying health condition' is misleading.