253 people under the age of 60 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK

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I'm in no way trying to minimise these deaths at all but I wondered if people were aware of this number. Every day we hear the number of deaths, but this is never broken down into categories that we can relate to ourselves.
30 people under the age of 45 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK.
AIBU to want people to know this because I don't think enough people realise.

@nighttimefreedom

I completely agree. My dc are loved and safe at home but they're really struggling now with lockdown...God know what it's like for dc in abusive homes. My dd is now refusing to do home learning. She really misses school and her friends. I realised last week that my dc haven't spoken to another person face to face except each other and me and dh for two months. How has it come to this? Even in ww2, children could play together. This is hideous.

The reason it’s not just a case of people making their own decisions is because it affect everyone.

But that's true of all sorts of things where people are free to make their own choices.

The risks are not high enough to justify locking people up for months and closing down society and coercing people into behaviour against their own interests.

That's not how a free society works.

It's clear now how many do not want a free society and who are loving the new acceptability of being a busybody.

Yes I and my child are struggling with lockdown too which is why I'm one of the ones see debating whether to send mine back to school in June - not a definite no. But at the same time too scared to with what I hear everyone saying

@Mintychoc1
What frustrates and baffles me is the money thrown at coronavirus, when the NHS has been starved for so long. In 2018 there were 6859 deaths by suicide, which would equate to 1143 suicides since lockdown began. This figure is pretty constant - if it’s changing at all it’s going up - and yet mental health services have their funding cut again and again.
There’s no logic to it

Couldn't agree more. It's baffling.

@purpleme12 what exactly are you scared of regarding your dc going back to school?

Why aren't non-invasive post mortems being carried out on people who have died from Covid-19? Wouldn't these generally show up those with underlying health conditions?

Don't all Covid-19 patients have a CT of their lungs to see the severity/stage of the disease? Why not just CT the rest of their body at the same time so their heart/kidneys etc can be viewed to see if there is a problem?

What is a non invasive post mortem ?

About me getting it, about her getting it.
All I hear is people saying it's not safe. No one else I know is sending theirs.
And about the 2metres away and how she'll cope

I'll be sending my dc back as soon as they're allowed. My ds goes to a state secondary in inner London and walks there. He's more at risk from cars and knife crime than covid.

I'm sorry. Will admit to not having read the full thread due to being busy, but some people have undiagnosed health conditions. Like young footballers who drop dead on the pitch due to undiagnosed heart problems.

@Mintychoc1

MH services will suffer again, even though they're already a 'poor' sector of the NHS.

The last funding cuts led to decimation of community services in terms of trained, experienced staff and massive recruitment of unqualified 'MH workers'. Some of whom had worked in social care or had relevant degrees (but no post-grad experience or relevant experience) and some who had no relevant experience or qualifications but were keen.

They all quickly realised holding a caseload of seriously mentally ill people (under 'supervision' obviously) was not worth the low pay so understandably fucked off leaving exhausted teams having to do overtime and using expensive bank/agency staff to inadequately fill in the gaps. Typical short-term cost saving which costs far more in the long term.

It'll only be worse when this is done. They'll likely be a public campaign about how many MH workers they'll recruit, but they'll be unqualified, unexperienced and will quickly leave.

What is a non invasive post mortem ?
A CT scan of your body to see if that shows up the cause of death. If not then the coroner obtains next of kin's permission for an invasive PM where they open up the body and take tissue samples etc.

My parent had a non-invasive PM in February that determined the cause of their sudden death.

We had this but the patient definitely had undiagnosed diabetes which we know carries a high risk from COVID.

When lockdown first started, we didn't know what the risk factors were. Now we do and those with no risk factors need to get back to normal. The undiagnosed will be mopped up with the additional capacity in the ICU units at the moment

@SandysMam - I agree - well put

People keep suggesting that lockdown will cause an increase in mental health problems but losing close family members to coronavirus will also cause mental health problems.

The point is not that some lives are more expendable than others - obviously they are not.
The point is that this number tells us who is at risk, therefore we can shield the parts of society that are vulnerable and the rest can go about their daily business almost as normal - being sensible obviously with hand washing and social distancing and wfh where possible - but those people can keep the economy going and with very little (negligible) long term risk to themselves, they can safeguard the future of every one of us.

Losing close family members to untreated cancer will cause mental health problems.

Despite what all the Covid sentimentalists seem to think, Death from Covid doesn't create a unique type of grief.

Although no doubt that will be their next pretext for keeping us all locked up.

Whilst every death is tragic for relatives and dependents from this virus I was wondering during lockdown of the reduction in traffic accidents, work related deaths, etc. and how this shutdown period will reflect in general annual figures. Sadly I think that suicides will increase over the coming period as the stress of financial losses, both personal and business etc. become a reality for many as business patterns change to suit the new reality, and the recession hits.
Back to the OP I find the figures interesting and for those of us fortunate to be in good health it's good to know. in general if you have respiratory diseases or ailments then flu of any type is not going to be easy for the body to shake off, especially a virulent one such as CV19. Not quite sure why some are getting so uppity, it's just one way of presenting the statistics and does not in anyway make the deaths of those with underlying conditions irrelevant, it's done for individuals to try and understand risks just as correlations for age categories respond differently to infection. Its science which doesn't account for emotion.

Losing close family members to untreated cancer will cause mental health problems.

Yes but lockdown isn't preventing people being treated for cancer. The virus itself is doing that because may cancer treatments will increase the risk of death and letting the number of cases rise is not going to help.

Despite what all the Covid sentimentalists seem to think, Death from Covid doesn't create a unique type of grief.

I'm not suggesting it creates a unique type of grief.

‘Stripesgalore if it's one more, it's one too many.’

Well that is just ridiculous. Obviously society is not going to let thousands of people die to prevent one case of child abuse.

The point is that this number tells us who is at risk, therefore we can shield the parts of society that are vulnerable and the rest can go about their daily business almost as normal - being sensible obviously with hand washing and social distancing and wfh where possible - but those people can keep the economy going and with very little (negligible) long term risk to themselves, they can safeguard the future of every one of us.

It won't work because too high a portion of the population is vulnerable and many live in households with other people so no way of avoiding the virus. Sweden didn't manage it even though more people live in single households there compared with here. They had the highest death rate in Europe last week and their economy is contracting as much as anyone else's. There is no simple solution to this.

Yes, many cancer treatments increase risk of covid.

That doesn't excuse the thousands that are NOT being screened or assessed which according to oncologists will cause far more deaths than covid.

That doesn't excuse the thousands that are NOT being screened or assessed which according to oncologists will cause far more deaths than covid.

It doesn't excuse the thousands that weren't screened but that has actually nothing to do with lockdown. It is to do with the fact that the NHS shut down many clinics in order to cope with what they thought would be a very high increase in Covid cases.

They're the same thing! They are all consequences of COVID.

Lockdown just started earlier in the NHS. Non-essential work abandoned. People that could WFH doing so. No visitors in hospitals.

All started a couple of weeks or more before 'official' lockdown in England.

"Covid sentimentalists". What a foul description.

Hysteria and hyperbole are all you seem to have. Get a grip.