To think that Dominic Cummings DID break the rules?

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The day after reportedly developing coronavirus symptoms, Dominic Cummings and his family travelled 200 miles to self isolate.

While I can understand the desire to be near family, AIBU to think they should have isolated at home?

Many families in the UK have faced situations where sticking to the rules has at best inconvenient, at worst traumatic. They have managed to do so with less of a support network and less resources at their disposal than the Cummings family.

That thread didn't specify, but seemed to be about isolation of the vulnerable.

There are 3 categories as far as I can see;

Lockdown - for the general public.

Self isolation - for those who would be at risk if they caught coronavirus.

Self isolation - for those with symptoms.

We are talking about the later. Are those articles about self isolation 1 or self isolation 2?

My son in law is self isolating due to being vulnerable. His doctor has said that he can now go for walks. He isn't walking around spreading the virus. DC was potentially doing just that.

There were local networks of volunteers set up everywhere. People who would shop for isolating families and deliver essentials to the door. I don't believe for a moment that Cummings could not have accessed that support from a kindly stranger, even if he is personally friendless!

If I had to guess, I'd say it changed when the lockdown rules came in a week or so later but I have to go start dinner so can't check the transcripts to see.

@knittingaddict I don't want to derail the thread, and I know what those links say now but I swear that the official advice used to say that exercising at a distance from others was the only reason for leaving the house when self isolating with symptoms.
I swear it 100% used to say that on the gov.uk site and other official places!
It was buried in the detail though rather than the summary.
It never occurred to me to take screenshots and I don't know whether these things are archived
Blog posts and even news articles can be edited after initial online publication.

The rule definitely changed.
I am not disagreeing with the rule change, but I wish things like that were announced in some way somewhere because it is really confusing!

I think I might start screenshotting all official government advice for my own sanity! 😆

Honestly I wouldn't take a speech made by BJ in a briefing to mean anything. They constantly correct themselves the following day because the Prime Minister in particular seems incapable of communicating correctly.

Of course he did.

They are covering it up now.

Yes I'm going to safeguard my kids and my own mental health now by letting granny do some childcare so we can work. Problem sorted. Thanks Grant!

Squichy I agree, that seems sensible. Isn't it tragic though that we would even think of having to do that. I'm horrified that walking around with symptoms was ever thought to be a good idea, no matter how briefly that was advised.

He's a right arrogant twat isn't he? I hope he's sacked!

Right, lockdown's over now, is it? We'll just use our 'common sense'.

He's using his child as a human shield. That's despicable.

Especially when other children died alone, without a parent by their side, in hospital as a result of other people following the Government's Lockdown Instructions in acts of supreme sacrifice for the common good.

Scarf Thanks for taking the time to find the info. What a mess this all is.

As always one rule for us, and another rule for the ruling elite. I await to see what will happen.

He was clearly unreasonable and broke the rules. The Government are making things up to suggest he didnt
. There were no safeguarding issues. Many people have had to look after their own children in these circumstances. If they really couldn't look after their child then a family member should have travelled to London to look after the child
If eveyone behaved as he did there would be people travelling all over the country all the time.

I think the issues are:
a) DC can do what he wants, after all he is so special
b) The "rules" are not really rules, just piffle wiffle waffle guidelines and not very clear ones at that, so people interpret it how they like.

Who is this utter twat 'with respecting' all over the show on BBC vehemently defending the other utter twat.

He broke the rules and there will be no repercussions - Boris Johnson is completely reliant on him and Cummings can essentially do as he pleases.

I have to say I'm shocked at just how poor Johnson has turned out to be as a leader. I mean my expectations were low but even I didn't expect him to hide away week after week in a national crisis, and when his top advisor breaks the rules to put protecting him above maintaining the public health message. How many people this bank holiday weekend will think, sod it, they don't follow the rules so why should I, and in the end what will that do to the infection rate? We shall see.

Course he did.

The rule is stay at home. He didn’t.

Scarfsladybag and knittingaddict last time I mention this because I am aware I am derailing the thread (sorry op!) But I asked the op on the thread scarf linked to for a screenshot it was bothering me so much! Taken 20th March.

No worries @SquishySquirmy

Who would have thought that we have to rely on screenshots now. Very 1984.

To be fair though, that looks like an error.

He should be fined and should be made to resign.

Oh no, sorry. Having read the other posts about that specific piece of guidance it couldn’t have been an error.

We now know that the rules are that if you have a second house that you can use so that you can make arrangements to move somewhere else near your family with a small child, you can move to that second house. Lucky you.

@mbosnz That's the bit that gets me. A guy just tweeted that he feels angry they left their dad to die alone in a hospital because they were told they couldn't be with him. A family who had to bury a child and not attend his funeral. But DC can drive up North and twist it so that the people who stuck to the rules are the ones in the wrong. Scum.

Obviously he broke the rules. The government are on tricky ground here. They either get him out or the public won't listen anymore.