To say I'm half Irish

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Just wanted to settle a petty argument between DH and I.
I was born in England. As was my mum. My dad also. However both his parents were born in ROI. They moved to the UK as young adults and met, married and settled with a family in England.
I think that, although my dad was born in England, he is full blooded Irish. Which in turn makes me half Irish. My DH reckons I'm quarter at best.
Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but just interested in the general MN population's thoughts?

Are we talking Irish republic or Northern Ireland, as that matters.

How does it matter?

@begoniapot actually there is only one Ireland and a section of it is north!

If you are talking about nationality and your dad was registered as English

Can you be registered as “English”?

Are we talking Irish republic or Northern Ireland, as that matters.

No it doesn't. Despite the lack of good faith shown by the British government in its implementation, the Good Friday Agreement states that anyone born in NI can choose to be Irish, British or both.

@Gwenhwyfar DG probably could if he could speak Welsh . Some people from Patagonia did actually visit DGF when they came to Pembrokeshire in the late 80's/early 90's. DGF was embarrassed that they spoke Welsh and he didn't.

*You have Irish heritage, but your nationality is very much British.

Only if she wants it to be. She is entitled to Irish citizenship.*

The op hasn't said she's applied for citizenship, so she's a British national.

The differences between Irish and English culture may not be as marked as some, but there are definitely some.

The differences are huge and the fact that you don't know that shows that you are not as Irish as you think you are.

Oh please @Limpetlike are you for real? My friends are all pro choice and we all welcomed every hard won change. Your post is really nasty.

Ireland has changed a lot since 1993. A lot. You are the only person ive heard of not getting that sense of what you remember being in the past/memory. If you dont get other people's experiences fine, but no need to go around accusing people of being pro life. Totally missing the point. 😑

Good luck to you.

The op hasn't said she's applied for citizenship, so she's a British national

She also didn't say she hasn't applied so you have no idea what nationality she is. She is entitled to either.

Dermot is the pride of Colchester

Yeah I am sure she has applied for it. After all it makes sense to get into circular arguments with her DH about her nationality, when whipping out her Irish passport would pretty much shut the conversation down.
I'm fully aware of how citizenship works thanks.

My mums mum is german but my mum was born in england.Curious to know if that means I can say I'm quarter german or 100% english?

After all it makes sense to get into circular arguments with her DH about her nationality, when whipping out her Irish passport would pretty much shut the conversation down.

Not necessarily. As can be seen throughout this thread, people have different ideas about what constitutes nationality. Having an Irish passport would not make the op 100% Irish. She would have Irish citizenship but would still be half British on her mother's side and her dh could still argue using dodgy maths that she is only ¼ Irish.

@happyandsingle - Curious to know if that means I can say I'm quarter german or 100% english?

Quarter German but up to you whether you lay claim to it or not.

Oh yes @Ochon

Completely agree with yr post.

Didnt read past the first page, but if that's the logic you're dh and pp are following then my I am 100% British as both my parents were born here..however no one calls me British they call me Indian..even though both sets of parents are from Lebanon!
So what am I? Lebanese or British? I have light brown skin if that makes a difference as j suppose it would to some of you.

Ffs your*

My dm is Irish born and bred, df Scottish. I'm born in London. I say I'm half Irish and half Scottish though df was an absent father so we lean towards the Irish side.

My dcs are very much English, having 2 English born parents but know their Irish roots by default of my mum being very involved in their lives. They don't, however, have any of the immediate second generation reference points that i had . They are not raised Catholic, they don't do Irish dancing, they don't go "home" for the school holidays etc etc. I think it's different if you have a parent of a different nationality to if it's your grandparents. Not genetically, but culturally.

(And Dermot o'Leary is accepted as Irish in this household, his first concert he went to was Big Tom! )

Yep, Definitely half Irish, I’m half welsh as both parents had one welsh parent, but I was born in an English city.
If people challenge me on it I like to say this:
“Well what nationality was Rhoald Dahl then”
“He was Norwegian, what has this got to do with anything?”
“He was actually born and raised in Wales. Case closed.”

It’s strange how always seem to think the other way if it’s country that’s a bit further away.

This thread has been like being mansplained for 5 pages on what it means to be a woman.

@Dondevastu - however no one calls me British they call me Indian..even though both sets of parents are from Lebanon!

Sounds like you're dealing with lazy, racist idiots.

So what am I? Lebanese or British? I have light brown skin if that makes a difference as j suppose it would to some of you.

I would say you are ethnically Lebanese but have British nationality. Maybe Lebanese British would describe you? However, I would assume you were British unless told otherwise. And if I met you, and you told me your parents had Lebanese parents, I would hope you would have some Lebanese recipes to share as I love middle Eastern food

Well I'm one eighth Scottish!
One eighth European Jewish.
Five eighths English
& one eighth possibly Romany.

born in England to British parents with British Nationality.

& I have a foreign sounding surname which has actually been in England since the 1500s.

Of course it matters Northern Ireland or Republic of Ireland if you’re talking about citizenship. You can be Irish in the republic but you can’t be British. Was OPs father registered as English? That’s what it hinges on.

Actually the OP was ridiculously vague on all relevant info. in the op.

My cousin Celine's children are a mixture of English, French, Algerian, Jewish & Slavic (Eastern European). Their grandmother is French born in France but their parents are English with mixed ethnic backgrounds & British nationalities.

My cousin Chrissie's son is a mixture of English, Nigerian, Romany, Scottish.
His father is Nigerian but has gained British nationality. & his mother (my cousin) is from a mixed British & English Romany background.

I find ancestry, ethnicity & background very interesting as some people in my family are quite dark skinned & dark haired & have had abuse because of that (we live in the South of England, say no more) so I tried to trace my ancestry to find out why.