Trying to work out how many people are still following the lockdown rules

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So it turns out nearly every member of mine and DH family are not following the lockdown rules in some way. I only found out today by chance with some of members of my family after hearing them in the background whilst on the phone to my mum.

According to Dsis the vast majority of people are breaking the rules in some way.

I Thought people might be honest on a thread like this which is anonymous.

So AIBU to think most people are breaking the rules?
Please vote AIBU if your sticking to the rules.
YANBU if you are breaking them.

Neighbours had a birthday party yesterday. We're still only going out shopping once a week and for daily walks. My friends and family are still sticking to the rules.

I still not see no one outside of work. But there was 3 of us in work yesterday and we forgot to social distance for a while and all sat together. Other than that I only go shop once a week on a Saturday.

It been a really long time since I seen anyone. My gym closed my community centre closed and mum nursing home closed. Everyone at work wfh apart from a couple of us. I walk a lot cos there nothing else to do. I am going over to next town hopefully this afternoon for the first time in 3 months. I want weed killer, coffee whitener which I cannot get here since Lockdown and they have a few more shops open then here. So 8 guess that is “unessential” shopping but I want some things I cannot get in morrisons here (they have home bargains in next town)

DH had a colleague around the other night for dinner/beer. Technically, it is against rules... But...
He was in the garden the whole time. DDs stayed inside.
He shares an office with DH. And a bathroom and tea making facilities. This has been throughout. (Essential workers, but office based not front line)
He lives alone- which currently means he lives in a single room with a microwave, and can't go 'home' at weekends to his house with his partner as it's too far.

I joined them in the garden for a chat, but was about 5m away!

I haven't been anywhere other than for a walk. My DH goes shopping - about once every 10 days.
This is from choice.

I am 100% following the rules and have done since the start. Most of my neighbouring households certainly seem to be doing so to. One nearby family definitely isn’t... lots of visitors, a VE Day party, family BBQs etc and another household is still having their cleaners in every week. DD doesn’t live with us but there is a Covid ward worker in her house share so they, as a household, have definitely been strict about the rules and cleaning the communal areas of the house. They aren’t staying away from “Nurse Karen” when she’s at home but they stay in their own rooms when “Karen” comes home, she changes, puts her clothes on to wash, showers and then wipes down everything she touched and THEN all the housemates come out of rooms and try to give “Karen” the support she so needs.

I think that the rule being broken most is the meeting 1 person outdoors with social distancing rule. I see lots of meetings of 2 whole households or 3+ people who probably don't live together.

We all are in my family.

Been to the beach twice for about an hour but were at least 20 metres away from everybody there.

Haven't seen friends or family other than on zoom/FaceTime.

Not in a rush to get it or pass it on to my family.

We had my mum & dad to sit in our back garden (through side gate) for an hour. We social distanced, including both children.

We also had my sister & her 2 children into the garden. Our two sons played together outside, we had a big handwash session after they left.

We weighed up a lot of factors deciding to do this, including:

• the fact that we had all isolated for weeks before hand
• the fact that none of us are "vulnerable" or shielding.

We're still doing our bit although I'm sick of seeing huge groups of teens loitering, and a food factory not far from us have at least 14 members of staff hanging out together outside every single day, practically sat on each others knees. I ventured into town today. Lots of people about and around half were sticking or at least attempting to stick to distancing.

I think the "worst" I have done is that DH and I both went to his mum's together the other day. To be fair it was a strength in numbers situation.

We’ve been nowhere except for a walk round our estate and a drive past the beach yesterday. The beach is a five minute drive away. We didn’t stop or get out of the car.

We have seen neighbours from the doorstep on Thursday evenings and I have had a conversation with one from my bedroom window, when she was in her garden.

I haven’t seen my family since February.

We are following the rules and have since the start. I haven't left the house in nearly 4 weeks and the thought of going outside kind of makes me anxious 😕. DP has only left the house for essentials. We've decided DS will be going back to nursery in July, not June, as long as cases continue to drop.

We've been following them up until yesterday because I was at my grandad's funeral and my dad completely broke down and needed a hug. DD is starting school next week and it seemed ridiculous not to, given the amount of exposure that's about to occur to be honest.

YANBU

Cafes and bars are open here in SW London, just with drinks out in the street instead.

I'd say I'm breaking guidelines responsibly. Have had some visitors in my garden but only one at a time and have observed social distancing, nobody has used the loo or been inside my house and there's a side gate to get in.

My Dd has come to stay for a week after staying away for 9 weeks, she's here for a family funeral and I figured if it's acceptable for someone to move households because of a row with a housemate then coming home for a family funeral is a fair enough reason. She works alone, and shares a house with two people she rarely sees so I don't think she's a high risk to us, and we are all working from home in this house so not much risk to her.

Donnadarko
I haven't left the house in nearly 4 weeks and the thought of going outside kind of makes me anxious 😕

Are you classed as clinically vulnerable? If not, you really should start working on getting out and about for your own mental health.

If you are young & healthy, the risk to you is really very low, even more so if you practise good hygiene and social distance, especially indoors.

Please don't become a hermit due to
over excessive health anxiety. The country is going to be on its knees and we will all need to get back to normal to get things to function again, we can't afford for you to take months recovering mentally from an excessive self imposed isolation. And more importantly, it's not good for you, or your child's mental health.

I don't follow the rules as I believe the death numbers are inflated due to the way they report COVID deaths, I think the fatality rate is low, and I disagree with the lockdown.
I visit friends and family. I don't wear a mask. I don't follow the arrows in the supermarket. I don't even pay attention to social distancing as there is basically no science behind that. ( or lockdown for that matter)

I don't follow the arrows in the supermarket. I don't even pay attention to social distancing as there is basically no science behind that

Well that’s incredibly selfish of you!

Buggeroff
What is selfish is people like you, not questioning the lockdown, perpetuating the fear by staying in your homes, wearing a mask, and following arrows. Millions of people around the world are losing their lives and livelihoods because of this lockdown.
Flatten this curve: flatten the exponentially escalating curve of UNEMPLOYMENT, BANKRUPCY and SUICIDE.

Jane what’s your explanation for the excess deaths reported by ONS if the covid death rate is being inflated?

I hug my dad when I visit him at his house. If he can survive being with my mum when she was infected and not catch anything then a hug from me isn't going to push him to death's door anytime soon.

We have but I’m really struggling seeing other people meeting family etc. Two of our neighbours had their grandchildren round and I’ll admit it’s made me wonder why we should follow guidelines when others aren’t. (We know these neighbours well, they were definitely social calls.)

The advice about meeting one person in a public space is so ridiculous it must be a deliberate ploy to get people to break the rules, and then blame the public when cases rise!

Jane..how do you propose avoiding recession?

Please don't be trite and say end lockdown. You will either crash the economy after a huge spike in infections or the economy will stay rock bottom as too many people won't go back to normal, especially when the death rates start rising again

Still following the rules, OP. The actual ones as well rather than my own take on them like some.
I’m mainly doing it to be bloody stubborn now as nobody I know is still following them.

Jane I also think you are right.

Perhaps many people don't have the mathematical or analytical ability to comprehend the statistics published. I can only assume that is the case, otherwise there would be far less hysteria.

Any death (even with other very obvious causes and comorbidities) where a patient has tested positive or has symptoms of corona virus, is stated as being due to corona virus.

This means many very frail elderly people on deaths door with a range of infections and chronic conditions are classed as having died from coronavirus, despite the primary factors in their deaths being more likely to be their other underlying conditions.

So we are overstating mortality rates. Furthermore we are also understating infection rates because we are not testing enough to understand the rates of asymptomatic/minor cases. This compounds the already overstated mortality rate.