To feel like parents aren't allowed to criticise teachers anymore?

[velaryon]

I have the utmost respect for the teaching profession, especially the hard work and dedication of many teachers despite a pandemic and nationwide lockdown.
But at the same time, I've seen a lot of parents genuinely concerned about the teaching & communication at their DC's school who were immediately accused of 'teacher bashing' and being too lazy to teach their own children.
AIBU to think this is absolutely ridiculous?
I don't see anything wrong with questioning the level of teaching a school is providing, provided it's done in a sensitive and understanding way. IMO it's ridiculous how quickly someone is accused of teacher bashing for asking a legitimate question.

Yes. When it's a bank holiday, they're not being paid to teach, are they? So if they are there, they're volunteering. Isn't that nice of them?

Thank you for your concise instruction as to what OP means. Much appreciated. It was more the can't 'crisis' teachers? I believe 'crisis'(ing) teachers is not a part of the OP's post.

Which was why I was questioning your post, talking about not being able to 'crisis' teachers, which really, when you come to think about it (hopefully) doesn't make sense?

We are constantly trying to weed out the rubbish from our industry and we are not afraid to call out the bad ones

And you obviously think this makes you qualified to do so in other professions.

I think I'd far rather be a sparky than a teacher.

Better pay, less dealing with arsehole kids and parents. Of which there are far too many.

@LolaSmiles I think your post is unfair in that many parents here have expressed that they have broached the school and gone further
If they've broached school, got nowhere and come on Mumsnet seeking advice on what to do next (without generalising about the profession in a goady way) then they're still in the reasonable camp.

The faux naïve head tilt is because what inevitably happens is:

1. Goading from some posters / deliberately repeating the same old misinformation
2. Some teachers challenge the goading
3. Those who are goading play naïve with claims that nobody can even ask a single question about schools.

The issue with 3 is that it's disingenuous because they know fine well teachers are challenging the goading, not genuine questions

It's just another variation of the pre-covid anti school stuff from certain posters:
A) goady poster shows up to say teachers only work 9-3 / only in it for the holidays / insert generalisations, lies about contracts and general goady nonsense
B) teachers challenge the goady posters and correct misinformation
C) Goady poster says 'see see look at the teachers thinking they work harder than anyone else, they've never worked in the real world to see that everyone else works hard'.

Reasoning with people who have their own moaning about schools agenda is like pigeon chess.

Is pigeon chess like herding cats? Because I'm getting really rather good at that.

@stopcok

No

The OP made this post. I shared my bad experience.

I think the OP has been proved correct as anything slightly critical of the teachers is met with conflict.

Pigeon chess is trying to have a discussion with people who are more interested in holding their position regardless of any evidence, arguments, logic presented. Inevitably whatever you say they'll claim victory.

Eg. Someone I went to university was the type of person to think they had the ultimate way to be a feminist. It didn't matter what anyone said, any opposing position was dismissed with 'of course you'd say that, the fact you think that proves you're oppressed and I'm right'.
🙄

@tonglong So why have so many of your posts been deleted?

I think the OP has been proved correct as anything slightly critical of the teachers is met with conflict.

Oh well then they just proves that the OP is right. 😆😆😆😆😆

@stopcok

I haven't deleted anything

I feel you are becoming a little obsessed with me.

@tonglong Jeez o - not the brightest spark are you? Some of your comments have been deleted by Mumsnet.

@tonglong

MNHQ has deleted a lot of your posts. Check back. Then maybe apologise to @Stopcok.

You have had more than one post deleted by MNHQ for breaking talking guidelines on this thread tonglong. That’s what stopcock means...

Sorry for the x posts-didn’t type fast enough!

For right now, no i don't think parents can criticise teachers in any format. I think that's a terrible attitude. My son's teachers have been brilliant but if one of them behaved in an inappropriate way I don't see why that should be dealt with any differently to outside of the pandemic. I manage a care home and obviously it's a challenging time for us but if any of my staff behaved in an unacceptable manner I'd deal with it in exactly the same was as I would outside of the pandemic. I certainly wouldn't call the resident or their loved one or whoever complained a carer "basher".

And neither would teachers in your scenario WaterOffADucksCrack. Starting thread after thread to complain about and criticise all carers in the current pandemic on the other hand, would be wrong and seems to be a more relevant comparison I would have thought.

My son's teachers have been brilliant but if one of them behaved in an inappropriate way I don't see why that should be dealt with any differently to outside of the pandemic

And quite right too. But a lot of the complaints levelled at the actual teachers have been things out of their control

Oh this is boring.

Criticise an individual teacher - fine.

Ask advice about what your particular school is doing. Is it acceptable? How are other schools managing? - Fine.

Criticise the Government's lack of guidance - Fine.

Criticise individual Head Teachers for their directives to their staff - fine.

Criticise ALL teachers and then say they're being unreasonable when they object - NOT FINE.

It's pretty simple, really.

I'm not hearing this blanket criticism of any other profession.

And all it is doing is helping out the Government.

Divide and rule - set the parents against the teachers and no one is looking at them. Win.

I'm really sorry that some parents are getting rough deal and less than ideal education for their children. No, it's probably not good enough and yes, there are probably other way.

It's not often the teacher's fault, though - and if it turns out it is an individual lazy/useless teacher then that's not great. It is still not ALL teachers.

WaterOffADucksCrack
It's the difference between:

A) I'm a bit concerned about something in a relative's care home. Would it be better to speak to whoever is on duty or speak to the care home manager?

And

B) In my relatives care home X has happened. What the hell are carers actually doing? It's clear they're spending most of their time sitting in the break room drinking tea and don't want to pay any attention to the residents. The government should step in and tell carers to do their job.

Too often on here the school threads are B.

Well said maudspellbody.

It's not a difficult concept to grasp, but the goady posters insist on turning it into 'meanie teachers think nobody should ever say anything negative about any teacher in the whole world, like ever'.

Thank you, Lolasmiles.

Just feels like head...brick wall...bang bang bang.

I'm not even a classroom teacher anymore.

Starting thread after thread to complain about and criticise all carers in the current pandemic on the other hand, would be wrong and seems to be a more relevant comparison I would have thought That happens constantly because carers are always bottom of the pile. Maybe we're more used to it 😂

I am a parent and I don't like teacher bashing thread at all. But I think there are difference between genuinely worried parents starting a thread and those who just want a rant starting a thread.
I am sure majority of parents know how hard teaching is and how hard teachers are working through this and appreciative.
So sad to see it's all gone teacher vs parents. I have started a thread about worry about the particular teacher in the past(though not on AIBU), I didn't get called teacher basher, instead I had a lot of great advice from both parents and teachers.

That happens constantly because carers are always bottom of the pile. Maybe we're more used to it

Could you point out examples of recent multiple threads that have done this, please?

It is awful if so, as well and I am sure you wouldn’t condone it either.

And in the Daily Mail again. Mumsnet has some secret hotline right?