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To feel like parents aren't allowed to criticise teachers anymore?

562 replies

velaryon · 19/05/2020 19:32

I have the utmost respect for the teaching profession, especially the hard work and dedication of many teachers despite a pandemic and nationwide lockdown.
But at the same time, I've seen a lot of parents genuinely concerned about the teaching & communication at their DC's school who were immediately accused of 'teacher bashing' and being too lazy to teach their own children.
AIBU to think this is absolutely ridiculous?
I don't see anything wrong with questioning the level of teaching a school is providing, provided it's done in a sensitive and understanding way. IMO it's ridiculous how quickly someone is accused of teacher bashing for asking a legitimate question.

OP posts:
tonglong · 20/05/2020 15:30

@Mistressiggi

I am sharing my experience of the school we have to use.

I could be insulted you don't believe what is going on at the school we have to use

tonglong · 20/05/2020 15:31

@OhCaptain

Should have said Children

Auto correct

tonglong · 20/05/2020 15:33

@LemonPudding

Yes we are pissed off the school we have to use is very unhelpful.

Colleagues have a completely different experience.

I can't believe you agree the teachers shouldn't look after the children of nurses so the can work in the hospital

OhCaptain · 20/05/2020 15:35

Ah, I see.

But to address my previous question, are you saying that the government have told schools they need to stay open for holidays to provide childcare?

Because you said that those were the government's instructions to schools?

tonglong · 20/05/2020 15:35

@OhCaptain

Yes

CallmeAngelina · 20/05/2020 15:38

So, you mean you have colleagues who are getting good responses from school but you're not?
How very curious.

OhCaptain · 20/05/2020 15:38

Then how come your kids' school is able to shut for half-term if they've been told to stay open?

HipTightOnions · 20/05/2020 15:42

Tonglong you do realise that the staff who were in school during the Easter holidays were volunteering and unpaid, don’t you?

spanieleyes · 20/05/2020 15:44

Individual schools do NOT have to stay open during the holidays, the local authority needs to ensure there is provision somewhere in a hub school, not necessarily your own. We have been open half term and Easter but are closed next week as we need to ensure the school is ready for 1 June. Any parents that do need care during school hours have been referred to the Local Authority who will ensure they get it.

tonglong · 20/05/2020 15:46

I was making the point how unhelpful our school has been.

I think you have supported what myself and colleagues think about the support we are been offered.

FrippEnos · 20/05/2020 15:49

OhCaptain

Exactly what schools are supposed to provide is somewhat vague.
The curriculum has been suspended.
No 'new' work is being done.

How lessons are supposed to be taught has no guidance at all.

When we first "closed" the schools the information on keyworkers children was any keyworkers children.
It was then changed to keyworkers that couldn't work from home or didn't have a partner/someone working at home.

Not all schools are open to keyworker children because they are part of a hub and the keyworker children and teaching staff from surrounding schools go there.

As for the holidays I can't even remember what was said. All I can say is that every school that I know that has opened has asked for volunteers to come in to the school and work for free.

ChloeDecker · 20/05/2020 15:49

tonglong

Get your partner to contact the LA/Council to be referred to the Hub that should be in place for keyworker and vulnerable childcare during half term.

OhCaptain · 20/05/2020 15:49

Oh. So they haven't been told to stay open then...

Mistressiggi · 20/05/2020 15:50

Tong so what did your local authority say when you asked about holiday provision?

stopcock · 20/05/2020 15:51

I think you have supported what myself and colleagues think about the support we are been offered

The same colleagues that had a different experience to you, insinuating a good one? I think no matter what was posted here your opinion would have been the same.

ChloeDecker · 20/05/2020 15:51

No they haven’t OhCaptain
I think this might be confusion between what councils have been asked to do vs schools.

The80sweregreat · 20/05/2020 15:54

The TAs in our school were on a rota to go in for key worker and vulnerable children.
The teachers and SLTs went in every day ( or worked from home some days) and office staff were there everyday. Caretakers did decorating and other maintenance jobs.
The Head was in all the time and they worked over Easter.
They are setting up the school for return on the 1st and staff have been asked to go in and clean. Children and parents have been contacted by phone and work sent regularly on google classroom.
It's sad if some schools haven't done this or been ignoring their pupils but our primary hasn't and been around working the whole time during lockdown!

Keeva2017 · 20/05/2020 16:03

Skipping ahead to say
@DamnYouAutoCarrot has hit the nail on the head for me.

I don’t approve of bashing any public service profession and there are undoubtedly some posts and posters doing that.

BUT some of the replies from teachers on here are embarrassing! “Make it stop” one accusing the op of contributing to teacher suicide rates. Some posters are asking genuine questions or have genuine concerns about their childs teacher. They are allowed to air this on a public forum without being accused of bashing an entire profession or accused of causing someone to kill themselves. Ridiculous.

tonglong · 20/05/2020 16:04

@stopcock

You are correct whatever u post on here was not going to change our experience and opinion of that.

Yes some colleges have had fantastic experience

Some who use the school we do have found them absolutely awful.

LemonPudding · 20/05/2020 16:04

tong

No point in making things up - we all know it isn't true. The schools have not been instructed to stay open.

I can't believe you agree the teachers shouldn't look after the children of nurses so the can work in the hospital

But I didn't say that. You seem to enjoy making things up to suit your bizarre agenda. Teachers shouldn't work unpaid in their holidays, for sure. Are you being paid for your vital work or is it voluntary?

If you are being paid then you are in no position to criticise teachers for not working upaid. Very goady of you.

stopcock · 20/05/2020 16:05

You are correct whatever u post on here was not going to change our experience and opinion of that

So you just wanted a bunfight then. How mature.

JimmyGrimble · 20/05/2020 16:06

Same old axes, same old bashers.
Flowers

stopcock · 20/05/2020 16:12

Why don't you look after the kids @tonglong? Or is that a womans job? You aren't a nurse.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 20/05/2020 16:20

My son is a secondary school teacher. Much of the work that he has been doing has been "behind the scenes" or visible to only a minority of parents and students.

He's been setting work, marking work and available via email continuously. If your child does the work without a problem and submits it maybe you'd be thinking "huh, what does Mr X do all day?".

What you aren't seeing though are the numerous emails (and I mean numerous) from a minority of students who simply cannot work on their own. They have a query so email him. He answers it. Cue 10 more emails with yet more questions. He's currently teaching one whole year group in an eight form entry school plus other classes throughout the school, including at GCSE and A level so even one or two of these students in every class is generating huge amounts of work.

He spoke to me last night because he was so stressed and he realised that he's usually fielding these conversations from these students everyday in lessons. The difference is that it's an exchange that takes maybe a minute plus everyone else in the class hears, so it's not the same question being asked four or five times, all requiring s written response.

Then he's getting multiple emails from parents because their child won't do the work, won't get out of bed, won't get off the Xbox (usually these are his form class) and can he please phone to speak to the child!!

Then there's planning the work. He makes his own resources usually, and the work that he would have taught doesn't translate well to just being emailed out so he's having to re plan everything.

On top.of that he's having to assess his GCSE and a level students to recommend their grades (which has really upset him at times). He's fighting tooth and nail for his students against a system which is now insisting grades are in line with a school's previous attainment.

Then there's his work with the vulnerable students, keeping a closer eye on them and making frequent contact.

On top of that he's going in to teach key worker children.

Another teacher has just quit and my son has been given his classes but the outgoing teacher won't engage so it's hard to ascertain what these classes have done, where the gaps are. All of this being done with only a laptop, at home. So no access to all the resources he would normally use.

Many students aren't doing any work. Others are really behind. Some are complaining there's not enough work, others too much. Some want live teaching, some no on line work only paper based, some want work sent out in advance so they can choose what they do and when, others want work sent following a normal timetable eg normal lesson 9am Monday so that lesson's work sent out at 8.55 Monday.

This just is not doable with the staff they have, working in the conditions that they are.

OhCaptain · 20/05/2020 16:22

You aren't a nurse.

Shock she’s not a nurse??