Sorry re Devon and Cornwall

[Cryalot2]

Sorry about my reply in an earlier thread .
Re the locals not wanting any tourists.
Its just I feel ready to go mad with the current situation. I understand it is taxing for us all.
At the moment I crave the coast so much that I am ready to end my marriage of 30+years and move ( dh is settled here and self employed)
Weekends are always harder for us as we spent time out at the sea in all weather.
Once again sorry all.

But the problem is he wasnt wearing a life jacket and overturned his kayak. Not that he drove from leicester.

He could easily have been a local idiot. Would it have been okay if hed overturned his kayak in leicester? (Obviously he couldnt overturn in leicester but you get the gist)

Exactly port some people (who clearly a few do not represent the majority) made comments about city folk travelling to West Country.
Next day the whole of West Country wants everyone to stay away!
I person had a vendetta against GR and it made about 8 headline stories. I bet most couldn't have even told you what he was doing as they didn't spy.

I've also seen it the other way and wish I'd saved the article where someone in London asked people to stay away (suburbs not to take public transport in) because their infection rate was already too high.

You can make a huge story out of anything 1 person says if you try hard enough. Except atm you don't even have to try because literally nothing else is happening to obtain a better headline!

If one is clinging to an overturned kayak in Leicester, something has gone terribly wrong somewhere!

@AllieAct makes an interesting point. As a Cornish resident, I very much enjoy trips to London, to visit friends and family and be a tourist there. However, we aren’t going to be holidaying anywhere any time soon. Indeed, we had a holiday in Devon booked for April, that was obviously cancelled. And we completely understood.

See, we can obey the rules the other way round, too!

I live in Brighton and on Saturday the police had set up a checkpoint at the motorway roundabout to ask people where they had come from. They were turning those away who were not Brighton residents and people who live on the outskirts were cheering according to the local paper. However, this was before the Boris announcement on Sunday. The fact is though even without tourists Brighton is busy, the parks are busy, the seafront is busy and I don’t know anybody who works in tourism because its proximity to London.

Not another bloody Devon and Cornwall thread!

Most people I know work in London or are in creative industries and work wherever- home cafes etc

I've had my wedding cancelled and my honeymoon cancelled but we understood and we know we'll get married and get to Paris eventually.
Yes Sacha we have lost our holiday too but looking forward to the future when we can get away

@underneaththeash where did you get an antibody test from please?

@underneaththeleash where do you get your testing kit from please?

Isn’t this just a TAAT? To extend the argument across another thread. I think everyone has had their say by now.

@underneaththeash I'd like my family to have the anti body test, we believe DH had it and maybe us too, how do you get it?

@crabbo - we moved to the SW from London 10 years ago, and I've pretty much never met anyone with an insular attitude? Most people I know have loved elsewhere in the UK and settled here because they wanted their dc to benefit from an outdoorsy lifestyle or because they're big into watersports or climbing etc on the moors. People seem to be very open in their approach and experiences.

However, there is real concern re a sudden spike in cases occurring as a result of huge movement of people into the area. We've largely escaped the first wave and are v nervous about the second. We have a vastly underresourced health service here - nothing like big enough hospitals for the existing population in normal times, let alone an increased population in a pandemic.

People have very justified concerns about the global pandemic we're living through and how rapidly the lockdown has been lifted. There was no prior warning to the National Park Authorities for eg so they could think about reopening car parks and toilets in a safe way and organise the additional rubbish collection points they normally set up, so they've naturally expressed their concern.

Anyone I know involved in the tourism industry is suffering hugely financially and terrified that their business won't recover.

I don't know anyone who has got a 'keep em out' approach just because. None at all.

@UncleFoster

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against tourism! Without it Cornwall as we know it wouldn't exist. What I'm minding is having people coming down now. The locals who run independent shops/hotels/restaurants/services that thrive in the tourist season aren't getting any of the benefit, but at the same time we have the fear that with the vast majority of the second homers coming from London, and Cornwall having one, already struggling, hospital, a second wave of Covid could hit us here like a sledgehammer.

I live in a tourist spot and honestly the attitudes here towards tourists is disgusting. We need the business and the money they bring. How can anyone be so nasty and rude about them I'll never know. Especially at this time.

There is ONE hospital here! It's simple, it's not about not wanting people it's about an area that is relatively clear of the virus being kept that way for as long as possible.
I'd like to go to Scotland, but i won't. It's nothing to do with hating incomers it's common sense!!

Myself, DH and DS1 have already had the virus, so there's no risk from us. (We had our antibody tests though 2 days ago).

I think this is half the problem. You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if you’re a risk or not because we still don’t know enough about the virus or anyone’s potential immunity towards it.

@KindKylie That’s sort of a self selecting group though because you/most people you know have lived elsewhere already - I’m talking more about ‘locals’ and maybe reviewing the attitude towards tourists and incomers from people down there in light of having moved away myself. Of course it’s not everyone with that attitude but the longer I’ve lived away the more I’ve noticed it and it’s really disappointing. There’s been a few mentions of putting up with tourists ‘blocking our roads’ in the summer etc already upthread - I’m assuming when you lived in London you never tried to claim the north circular as your own!

I just posted my experience of Cornwall on a different thread but we’ve spent that last 10 years staying at the same Cornish B&B for 2 weeks a year.
We became great friends with the owners and they added us as ‘friends’ on their personal Facebook account.

Unfortunately we’ve read so many unpleasant comments about us tourists that they’ve posted on their local Facebook page that we’ve made the decision not return again.

We’re actually quite upset that all the time we’ve been supporting their business, they’ve actually resented us visiting. A mistake we won’t be repeating.

I too just posted on that thread.
I'll say the same here. The people banging on about a much smaller population having one hospital. What's your point?
It was in London where the hospitals couldn't cope (what with there being nine million inhabitants).

It's quite rude to continue with the levels of insensitivity shown by suggesting you're the victims. In this case no you're not. London has lost more people than died in the blitz.

Oh and London has more elderly people than anywhere else in the UK. So really it's not in any way relevant to keep saying you have a large elderly population. You don't. Not compared to London.

Op I've just found your post (6.02pm) as I wondered what you'd said? Unless there's an earlier one you've posted nothing weird and no one has replied? So no bun fight to apologise for.

Why start this thread? Are you wanting to kick off something or are you stressed and wanting to generally chat?

There's definitely a victim mentality from the south west at the moment. Like people are wilfully sacrificing you all. You happen to live in a very nice area. Incomers are to be expected, especially now the government has said people can go where they want.

We put up with our roads being rammed taking us twice as long to get anywhere, our supermarkets being chokka, hideous waits in a&e, having to pay ridiculous prices to park at the beach during the summer, increased in prices of things during the summer, everywhere just being plain busy

And you know all the Londoners you complain about? Guess what? All these factors also apply in London, where, when times are good, London attracts millions of visitors from all over the world. They add to the buzz, it’s lovely to see people having a great time, and they bring billons into the economy.

Oh... and our local London hospital, like several in London, takes specialist and acute cases of all sorts of medical conditions from all over the South of England. My child’s important but elective surgeries have many times been delayed because a helicopter or special ambulance has brought a child in as an emergency from the IoW, Hampshire or SE Kent. And when I meet those parents on the ward I am relieved for them that they were able to come, and give them any help they need as they are staying away from home with their child.

The country needs to work together.

I agree with not travelling into low infection areas from high, and understand the concern of communities currently less affected by the virus.

But please please give over with the territorial parochial stuff.

I'm in Cornwall, and currently it's the worst of all worlds - the second homers are here, causing congestion, dropping litter, making it impossible to social distance on cliff walks etc, but at the same time local businesses, including my own, still aren't able to profit from them!

So if the second homers didn't have second jones and all those were filled with "real" home owners then you'd still have social distancing issues surely.

TBH you sound jealous of second home owners.

*We put up with our roads being rammed taking us twice as long to get anywhere, our supermarkets being chokka, hideous waits in a&e, having to pay ridiculous prices to park at the beach during the summer, increased in prices of things during the summer, everywhere just being plain busy
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You don't own the roads, you don't own the NHS, road tax is not used to service the local roads depending on where you live, NI isn't donated to just your local hospital. It's not "yours", it's a free country and when we're free to travel again, people will.

Can you imagine if a Londoner complained because you were transferred to one of "our" specialist hospitals on London? Imagine saying but you clog them up and I need to wait longer for an appointment and I only live five miles away.

Sacha Stark I appreciate that none of your family rely on Tourism. However indirectly you do.A great deal of Council Tax /local services are paid for from that extra revenue . We live along the South Coast (not Devon/Cornwall) and our town relies heavily on Tourism as well .One wet weekend and the Council are complaining that we have lost money .However ATM ,Our Council leader has stated that she would like people to stay out of our county .The beaches are open to residents, and I went there the other day armed with my Council Tax bills ! No on stopped me or asked me for any ID .I am just hoping we dont both get a nasty shock when our Council tax bills arrive next year!