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Boris declares war on fat

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Weallhavevalidopinions · 15/05/2020 09:25

Boris has said his being overweight contributed to his problems with Covid-19.
Stories this morning suggest he will wage war on fat...

What type of help do you think might be suggested?

Have you decided to lose weight due to Covid-19 worries?

YABU - no I will not lose weight due to Covid worries
YANBU - I will lose weight due to Covid worries

OP posts:
LuluJakey1 · 15/05/2020 16:30

There is a lot of complete nonsense in some posts on this thread.

You can not lose 4 or 5 lbs of fat a day by sleeping more. You have to eat way too many calories to be putting weight on regularly. Everyone who is overweight can lose weight.

You need to use up between 3200 and 4000 calories more than you consume (depending on your metabolism and that includes health conditions). You might lose water quite quickly after a period or as you start to lose fat. However, to lose fat the numbers above are what has to happen.

The fatter you are the easier weight loss should be because a heavy body uses up more calories just to exist- breath, move around, pump blood round the body. The fatter you are the more you have to eat to gain weight- for the same reason.

The truth is (and I say this as someone who has been 17 1/2 stone) fat people eat more and are less active - although they may well deny that.

Perhaps what the government should do is stop the manufacturing in this country and the import of high fat cheap foods stuffed with transfats, palm oils, sugar, etc. They could introduce limits on the amounts of fat, sugars and salt in foods.

I would have loved to go to a gym class or an exercise class or swimming but felt huge. What about a designated time/space for classes for the obese?

Having said that the responsibility for being fat and eating too much is your own- no point in blaming anyone or anything else.

The big question is why do we over-eat and lead such sedentary lives? We know it is bad for us. Our relationships with food are complex and linked to our emotions and what has happened in our lives. Unless we can understand and address those issues we will struggle to tackle weight issues with any long-term success.

Calories consumed (eaten) minus calories used up (just daily body functions+ used up in exercise)= weight loss or gain or maintain.

It is that simple.

You can fiddle round the edges with what you consume as carbs, proteins and fats but it is basically and energy calculation. Bodies don't create calories- we eat them.

My weight has been up and down over my whole life but has been under much better control since I was about 32. Partly vanity and wanting to look at least reasonable in clothes, partly exercise, partly just feeling I have a bit more control. I put more weight on with DS2 - 10 m- but have lost it all and more now by eating about 1400 calories and walking lots.
The last few weeks I have really tracked every bit of food and drink and exercise and it has come off really quickly- I had slipped into not being as careful. I'm not a martyr to it- have an occasional treat but just walk a bit more or cut down a bit the next day.

It isn't rocket science, it isn't a faddy diet, no meal replacements. I try to eat the things that are lower in calories because I can have more of those. 3 meals a day. Drink lots of water. Upping my steps to 20,000 5 or 6 days a week has made a really big difference.

TheLadyAnneNeville · 15/05/2020 16:32

I am 18lbs overweight. I have made a start this week because I have had a terrible chesty cough which has left me breathless and run down. That was in December last year and so I know it wasn’t COVID19. However, my weight goes up and down (has done all my life) so I’ve been here before.

War on fat, eh? Might have helped had he not gone around shaking hands on a hospital visit to Covid patients. He’s a dick.

OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 15/05/2020 16:34

I would have loved to go to a gym class or an exercise class or swimming but felt huge. What about a designated time/space for classes for the obese?

I recommend asking gp. I don't know if it's everywhere but mine put me on a gym programme a long time ago. Pound a visit and it was at specific times. You also had a trainer to watch over you and guide you. It's for a month or two to help people get started

TheLadyAnneNeville · 15/05/2020 16:35

Oh, and a word from the wise. For those who’ve yo-yo’d over their lives, menopause is bloody unforgiving. I’m 58 and even at 50, eating as I do and with the cycling/running I do... id have dropped the weight quickly. It now takes forever to see a change on those scales. Be warned!

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 15/05/2020 16:38

I've already lost 2 stone since I first heard that obesity was a risk factor for becoming critically unwell with coronavirus, taking me from BMI 30 (obese) to 24.9 (just in the normal range), and I will continue losing.

Seeing a row of obese patients on ventilators in Italy was very, very motivating. Yes before I had a vague plan to lose weight to reduce my risks of cancer, heart disease etc, but I didn't have any sense of urgency to actually crack on and do it. Coronavirus gave me the kick up the backside that I needed.

For me it is overeating. I eat too large portions, I snack too much. Intermittent fasting/ time restricted feeding has been fantastic for me.

I think individual behaviour and motivation is very important, however as a country we also need societal change to incentivise being a healthy weight. I hope that Boris Johnson will address the big societal factors.

kateandme · 15/05/2020 16:42

with boris at the helm he wont help.he will go the way of more fat shaming and stupid help.he will use it to cut cost and make money.sugar tax anyone?this isnt him being cocenred.otherwsie he would qyuietly lose weigh in private.this will only end up bad for people that struggle with weight.boris and torys shits are the type to say wellfatties lose weight by not eating and moving no?you have no will power?its as simple as making that decision.wheneveryone even doctors say no there is far more behind food and weight adn eating,its way more emotional.
it will also be even worse for eating dirosder sufferers.
hes a twat and caresfuk all.

Fluffycloudland77 · 15/05/2020 16:44

I’m 43 and have already decided I need to prepare for menopause. I have heard the metabolism changes.

BIWI · 15/05/2020 16:49

@fromdownwest

I have to take issue with this:

A calorie is a calorie - be it from cucumber or a burger

This simply isn't true. A calorie of fat will have no impact on your blood sugar, unlike a calorie of carbohydrate which will. And it's the insulin that is produced by this impact which ultimately leads to weight gain.

YouJustDoYou · 15/05/2020 16:50

Well, I think it'll be the case that more people will say "It's not 'curves', you're overweight. Loose weight, or it's YOU that's putting pressure in the NHS when you contract COVID and have to go on a ventillator。Think of the NHS!". But, is that a bad thing?..

Fluffycloudland77 · 15/05/2020 16:52

@HopelesslydevotedtoGu

Well done. That can’t have been easy.

I used to eat way too much, snacking too, I had a mother who wanted me fat so I didn’t get any male attention because only she’s allowed male attention in this family & was bullied throughout secondary school so I comfort ate. My mum went from feeding me healthy wholesome food to telling me I could eat cakes and biscuits in Wales because they were lower calorie than English cakes & I believed her.

She also bought foods she didn’t eat herself knowing I had no control.

maddiemookins16mum · 15/05/2020 16:53

He’s overweight, I’m overweight, it’s certainly made me think seriously about losing some.

fromdownwest · 15/05/2020 16:56

@BIWI - Apologies for the slightly inaccurate point. The point I was trying to make was that one needs to take into account the calorific content of food.

Of course 1k calories of veg, salmon and carbs is better than the same in a happy meal.

You are correct in how ones body deals with the calories is different.

IncrediblySadToo · 15/05/2020 16:58

@Xenia

I just said

The who faux 'who me' crap is 🙄🙄

My Granny would have said 'she's an attention seeking whatsit- clearly unhappy at home'

I used to think you'd sort yourself out, but this many years in, I really should accept that's not going to happen. At least when you had the island and could brag about that, you were mildly amusing. Whinging about the tax you pay and forever posting bitchy things about overweight people - not so much.

Costacoffeeplease · 15/05/2020 16:59

Interesting that he wasn’t bothered about all the health messages re obesity before, but as soon as shit becomes real, he’s suddenly concerned. So hidden health issues were ok but not when you see the reality?

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 15/05/2020 17:00

There are two reasons I'm overweight.

  1. I eat too much
  2. I don't do enough exercise

There is only one person who can sort my weight issue- Me. I did this to myself, I have to sort it.

I'm trying. I even managed going for a run today. It hurt. My legs still hurt. But hopefully with practice they won't hurt as much.

Ive got my target... I want to fit comfortably in my Scout Leader uniform when we are able to resume.

OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 15/05/2020 17:00

Of course 1k calories of veg, salmon and carbs is better than the same in a happy meal.

If you eat only certain number of calories in happy meal, you would still lose weight. You would most likely end up sick, but would lose weight.

IncrediblySadToo · 15/05/2020 17:05

@80sMum

If we could eliminate obesity (and with it, virtually eliminate type 2 diabetes and other diseases with which obesity is strongly linked)

🙄 Linked is not caused by.

Acccepting certain medical conditions CAUSE weight gain and aren't caused by weight is just too much for some people.

Try doing some reading instead of just shooting from the hip and blaming illness on weight.

fromdownwest · 15/05/2020 17:08

@incrediblysadtoo

Obesity is believed to account for 80-85% of the risk of developing type 2 diabetes - That is fact

CoronaIsShit · 15/05/2020 17:11

I’ve lost over 4 stone over the last year by spending 2+ hours in the gym 6 days a week and reducing rubbish in my diet. When the gym closed, I kind of gave up for a few weeks and put 6lbs on but yes, definitely the thought of getting CV pushed me back on the wagon and I’m fast walking 10km a day, cycling and doing home workouts, and reducing the crap again.

There’s no way I’d have kept up walking for an hour and 40 minutes a day, literally going round in mind numbing circles of my estate, if there wasn’t the threat of CV and going backwards to my previous weight so being more at risk of complications.

Being fat is shit and whatever gets people to move their arses is great in my book.

Geekster1963 · 15/05/2020 17:14

This is why I worry about my DH getting it, he’s obese, has high blood pressure and was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes last year. He also works for the ambulance service, so in some ways he’s more at risk of catching it.

Needmoresleep · 15/05/2020 17:19

If the message gets across perhaps there will be a lasting benefit in people understanding that obesity has huge impacts on health and quality of life.

The hour a day exercise worked for us. DH is wfh so we went out on bikes during his lunch break. The first day was really tough for me, but its getting easier. Indeed I probably cycled 20 miles today. Getting out is making a big difference to my scene of well-being. Not as easy with children, but there are plenty of kids in the park with scooters or bikes following their dad or mum. .

Howaboutanewname · 15/05/2020 17:19

Loose weight, or it's YOU that's putting pressure in the NHS when you contract COVID and have to go on a ventillator。Think of the NHS!". But, is that a bad thing

You can’t frighten people into losing weight. I mean it might work for some, but the deeper emotional,issues that go with over eating don’t just disappear because COVID.

Thighmageddon · 15/05/2020 17:20

I'd actually lost two stone in weight before lockdown arrived.

I've managed to gain half a stone in my 10 weeks at home from annual leave an furlough, it's my fault I've gained it, comfort eating to deal with the anxiety.

However when I do go back to work I will be fitter because I can now run 20mintes nonstop and I'm building on that.

When I'm free again I'll return to my reviewed eating patterns of two meals a day which I found manageable and worked for me.
I do have Hashimotos amongst other things and I'm well over 50 so managing my weight now is not as easy as it was in my youth.

However I have to be accountable, yes steroids and various other meds didn't help but I gained weight because I overate and didn't move enough.

I need to take personal responsibility as soon as I'm back to work for what I shove in my mouth.

Xenia · 15/05/2020 17:26

Although most of the posts above Howabout's - say the opposite - huge numbers of mumsnetters losing weight because they are frightened of CV19 and also don't want to burden the NHS with diabetes etc.

curious79 · 15/05/2020 17:26

And herein lies the problem (well one of many really) with Boris. He’s only interested in doing things when it becomes personally relevant to him. We’ve always known that obesity and being fat is a massive risk factor for heart disease, cancer and a myriad of other problems. That dickhead refused to stop shaking hands as the crisis was in full flow. But now he’s had a brush with death he suddenly going to actually invest in some kind of campaign? Only as long as it interests him

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