Boris declares war on fat

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Boris has said his being overweight contributed to his problems with Covid-19.
Stories this morning suggest he will wage war on fat...

What type of help do you think might be suggested?

Have you decided to lose weight due to Covid-19 worries?

YABU - no I will not lose weight due to Covid worries
YANBU - I will lose weight due to Covid worries

@Kazzyhoward I cook from scratch (allergies and type one diabetes), I could cook 4-5 healthy meals in 90 minutes.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QC4R6AH1c

It appears doctors are no longer giving that advice. I’m married to someone with both hypertension and diabetes, neither the GP nor the diabetes nurse have even mentioned weight loss.

I wonder if it has anything to do with "fat shaming" i saw couple of post in here last year fuming about doctor telling them to lose weight and how doctors should know better and not fat shame. I was gobsmacked tbh. There are lots of issues people don't realise can be influenced by weight.

I’m trying to lose weight however I am struggling now due to lockdown. I had lost just over a stone before through swimming and weights. However I have a genetic condition which effects my liver/digestion/ligaments. So I can’t walk too far or my knees and hips dislocate, can’t do aerobics for the same reason. I need the pools to open up as without those I’m lost.
I can’t lose weight by just lowering my calories due to my medication. I went to a dietitian for 18 months and we figured out for me to lose weight without exercise I would have to eat under 600 cals a day, which is obvs unhealthy.

we are the fattest and most unhealthy people in Europe. Obesity comes hand in hand with so many health risks. It's is always a good idea to lose weight - not just because of corona.

@NerfectPobody - Did you just compare a Friday night take away to Heroin?

Come on now..

Where should we stop? Stop the sale of salt? How about ban butter? Must stop the sale of sugar?

Heroin kills - Instantly.

Fat only kills is consumed in mass amounts over a period of time. People may not like to hear it, but it is only self control that will stop you eating take away multiple times a week.

It is a conscious action to phone up order and pay for it.

I eat well, I exercise, I also enjoy a Friday night curry. Why should I have to pay more for this, because others are unable to exercise self control.

I disagree with Boris about most things but he is right about that. All the doctors -everywhere-are saying it too. I've personally heard it from hospital dieticians as well. I will be working on my excess, but it's 4kg.

Where would that end, eh? Restriction on supermarket deliveries? Only healthy food? Food is not a heroin. Nor it is alcohol. Even if it's fatty food. Such a freaking hyperbole there

No. Like everything, it's about harm reduction - making it less easy for the vulnerable to succumb to something they shouldn't, removing temptation from people's way.

It can never be made impossible, put putting barriers between an obese person and a helping of fatty, sugary food with little nutritional value gives an opportunity to pause for thought - well, actually, rather than going out and driving two miles to get a double-cheeseburger, I'll cook myself something at home instead.

You might have wonderful self-control - well done you! - but, in the real world, not everyone has such fabulous self-discipline.

kazzy

So you'd rather risk death, just for the sake of sticking two fingers up to Boris????

Would you have lost weight if Lord Corbyn had suggested it?

Oh for gods fucking sake...what is wrong with people on this thread

I am Trying to lose weight because i want to lose weight ...and i Have been Since before lockdown

At no point did i say ‘i will not lose weight because i dont like boris’ how ridiculous

What the fuck has Corbyn got to do with anything

I’ll make it very very clear

I AM TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND HAVE DONE FOR SOMETIME BECAUSE I WANT AND NEED TO...NOT COS BORIS OR SOME INTERNET RANDOM THINKS I SHOULD

Hope that helps with the understanding

It appears doctors are no longer giving that advice. I’m married to someone with both hypertension and diabetes, neither the GP nor the diabetes nurse have even mentioned weight loss.

They're frightened to mention it these days. I remember once seeing a locum GP when I was at my most, 22 stones. He casually said in passing, Sergeant Wilson style, something like "perhaps you may like to think about losing a pound or two" with a very apprehensive look awaiting me to explode at his "fat shaming" and looked very relieved when I then started talking about needing to lose a few stone etc and we went on to have a pretty good conversation about options etc.

There've been threads on MN in the past about people wanting to know how to complain about their GP because they've been "fat shamed" by their GP mentioning weight loss etc without being asked to.

To make it worse im sat here thinking ‘gosh who on earth has been saying that they aren’t losing weight cos they hate boris’

Turns out it’s allegedly me

I don’t even hate boris 😀

@SimonJT - I agree.

If you gave me a kilo of lentils, some basic spices, a few tins of tomatoes and a bag of rice. I could cook you up delicious, nutritious meals at less than 50p per serving in under an hour.

One thing I do agree with, is lack of food education. We seem so transfixed with technology training, we have lost the basics.

Just simple cooking to show how easy it is to make food from scratch, and it works out cheaper per portion

I wonder if it has anything to do with "fat shaming" i saw couple of post in here last year fuming about doctor telling them to lose weight and how doctors should know better and not fat shame. I was gobsmacked tbh. There are lots of issues people don't realise can be influenced by weight.

I think that's true. One of the Van Tulleken (spelling?) twins did a programme a year or so ago about getting people off medication for diabetes and hypertension and I think a lot of the GPs said it was a struggle to bring up the issue of obesity with patients. A surgery brought in having weighing scales in the waiting room to encourage people to weigh themselves before appointments and I think that had a positive effect.

What the fuck has Corbyn got to do with anything

Because loads of people are turning everything political, especially the sheer stupidity of blaming absolutely everything on the "evil Tories".

If we didn't have Boris as PM, it would be Corbyn - that's why it's relevant!!!

I have been losing weight for a couple of weeks using intermittent fasting and ketogenic diet because I am scared. 8lb down so far. I've gone from obese category to overweight in terms of BMI.

Not all if us who are obese sit around on our arses all day eating crap

No, not at all, but you are in the minority. The vast majority of people who are overweight eat too much or are too sedentary. I say this as someone who has spent the majority of my life obese. Once I realised that for me personally it was because I was greedy (albeit comfort eating intertwined with emotional trauma etc), it was very liberating. Losing weight went from an unobtainable goal because I had told myself I was fat due to x, y, z; but for the first time I realised it was all within my control. Sorry this isn't the case for you, but we can't tiptoe around the fact that being overweight does pose health risks just because for a few people it is beyond their control.

You might have wonderful self-control - well done you! - but, in the real world, not everyone has such fabulous self-discipline.

My self discipline comes from the fact that I realised I will die in my 40s if I won't shift any of my 20 something stones.

Food is NOT heroin. You have a choice. Don't make other people's lives more inconvenient just because you can't do something.

A stopped clock is right twice a day.

It just hit me. At this point it's easier to get heroin than big brand takeaway

Yesterday I read that treatment directly linked to being overweight or obese costs the NHS 16bn a year. Everyone talks about pumping more money into the NHS. Is that really the answer? If 2/3 of us are overweight/ obese and costing 16bn to the NHS then what happens when that figure goes up to 3/5ths of us or 50% of us being overweight and costing the NHS 20bn or more. Are we still going to moan that not enough money is spent?

How about, those who can, start taking MORE personal responsibility for their own health.

Stay off the sugar/ booze and do more exercise——save the NHS money —— Lengthen your life

He should listen to Tom Watson.
He should get new management into Public Health England as their Eatwell plate has been a complete failure, obesity is rising, not falling.

Doctors should all be briefed to give effective and manageable weight loss advice with proper eating recommendations not "take the stairs instead of the lift".

He should get someone to look at the systemic causes of obesity, poverty, poor availability of healthy food in workplaces and for people without cooking facilities or shift workers, overwhelming junk food snacking and takeaway culture.

If people can't agree what is the best weight loss method/diet, fund some proper, independent research. It's staggering that obesity is the biggest killer of our time and we don't actually know how to cure it.

I eat well, I exercise, I also enjoy a Friday night curry. Why should I have to pay more for this, because others are unable to exercise self control.

I haven't suggested paying more for your curry, but leaving that aside, our whole society is designed the way it is because not everyone has self-control.

In this wonderful world that some posters inhabit, nothing would need to be illegal, because everyone would have the self-control to avoid doing wrong. Just think - no police, no prisons, honesty boxes rather than tills in the supermarket.

I'd be the first to applaud if we did live in a world like that - but we don't, and we have to make legislation on the basis of the society we have, not an imaginary utopia where everyone acts sensibly all the time.

Rufus I don't think it was aimed at you, it was more towards the 'Boris thinks we should lose weight? Well fuck that, I shall eat so much that I die from being overweight. That'll show him' brigade.

Lets be honest kazzy

Once you decided that ‘rufus is refusing to lose weight cos of boris’ you assumed that im a labour supporter 😀