DC are going to have to repeat a school year

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They finished school in March, there’s more chance teachers (and frightened parents) might be willing to get back into schools by next March. I know some dc are getting full school days on zoom, but for most their home learning is no substitute. Universities are planning on doing online learning for the first term too so loads will defer potentially causing problems for the current year 12.
You might say you’re dc are fine now but if things carry on like this in September, October, November and so on enthusiasm for home learning is going to decrease massively. It’s just unfair on dc. They need a chance to learn properly in the normal way. I honestly see no other satisfactory solution.

There's going to be a hell of a mess sorting dc out once they're properly back (who knows when, but not this year by the sounds of things). Massive discrepancies between dc even more than normal just for starters. I get that it's not totally without issues still seems a sensible solution to me.

They had two thirds of the year in school theyll all be fine

They did not, they had just over half, assuming they're not back until September.

I can see this being a problem for universities, because I think lots of potential students are not going to want to pay over 9k for online learning from their bedroom. For many, university is the whole being away from home experience. There'll be issues around accommodation, too.
Personally, I'd defer for a year until we see how this all develops. And if students take the same view, then the universities will be under-subscribed this year, over -subscribed next year. They'll be losing fees from foreign students big time, I think they'll need government support.

If somebody gives me the £10k it will cost my family for school transport, lunches, uniform and me not being able to work full time for another year, for my kids to repeat a year of school then let me know.

Technically it’s possible if you delay reception children starting by a year. I’m not against that concept or my child repeating a year. It would mean children like my middle child starting at almost 6 (Sept birthday) but like you say no different to other countries. Children might be happier. Would take some pressure off secondary schools as they would lose year 13 but not gain year 6. I imagine year 6 will say the children will be well outgrown for primary biologically .... something to ponder.

*They had two thirds of the year in school theyll all be fine

They did not, they had just over half, assuming they're not back until September.*

It'll be more if they're part time and not all back next academic year. Why's nobody bothered?

So parents are now going to be having find money for a childcare for a whole extra year than historically??

Well,given that children will start going back to school next month and all of primary will be back by the end of the year I think it’s safe to say that we’re definitely not talking about this going on until next March.

And IMO more people will be sending their kids back than not, it’s only because those who aren’t are vocal about it that it seems that it’s most people.

Two conflicting messages surely...

Take a weeks holiday in term time..unacceptable
Miss over a third of the academic year..no probs, they'll catch up

My DS is in year 10 and honestly, I'd love it if he could start year 10 again in September. He struggles and was already behind plus he is not motivated to work in the home environment. DH and I both work FT so hard to give him the time he needs with us to support him.

However, I know that is totally unrealistic and we are just doing everything we can to give him the best possible chance in his GCSEs - we will be getting him a tutor over the summer and possibly carry on with that until exam time. If he doesn't get decent grades in Maths and English we will encourage him to retake them in Y12 alongside whatever he wants to do at college - if that is an option,

In some ways, it is a relief to me as I am now more relaxed about him taking Y11 exams and know that we will just adapt as needed. He might do better than we think - if not, we'll think of something else.

For school students other than those CURRENTLY in years 10,11,12 & 13 the year groups should be able to make up the lost time over the years left (obviously with curriculum change for what is covered in what year - and possibly a week or two fewer holidays)

For students in year 6 it is sad that they are missing the last term of primary school but they will all start year 7 having missed the same term.

For the exam years, 10,11,12 & 13 is really is vital that there are plans in place to help students and parents cope with what will happen - we need to know soon so that we can all digest it and plan appropriately. There has been some information for years 11 & 13 but NONE for 10 and 12!!

My DS in year 10 doesn't know what will happen - will it be exams as normal? will it be at a different time? will it be assessment based? will the curriculum be changed for the exams?

It is really stressful not knowing and it adds to the extreme stress of the virus and being locked away which by now is 'getting to us all'.

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HUCKMUCK I am in exactly your position. I have yet to find any relief in the situation the thought of him having to redo subjects he doesn't want to is difficult to imagine happening.

That's why I have signed the petition..... I want to know what will happen so we can all engage with what the new process will be.
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Instead it might be better if those who want their children to repeat the year keep them down a year. There is no way they will make children repeat a year. Plus, it's totally unnecessary

My ds is year 10 as well. This is why I’m so stressed.

@AlternativePerspective teachers are refusing to go back. They have no intention of getting all primary dc in by summer. (I know some are looking after key worker dc)

DD age 5 would be bored rigid if she had to do another year in reception. Home schooling has been good for her (although she is ready to go back now!), but she is already doing work for year 1 so I would hate for her to have to do reception all over again.

That’s the issue for uni students, they could be taking on £9000+ in uni fees, between £4500 and £10000 of living/accommodation grants and your learning from your bedroom for at least a third of the academic year. Plus no freshers week, making friends and enjoyment, your stuck at home. That’s a lot for students to take on, when basically open uni will be very similar with a much reduced cost.

Take a weeks holiday in term time..unacceptable
Miss over a third of the academic year..no probs, they'll catch up

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Your first scenario puts your child at a disadvantage, because his/her classmates will have covered work that s/he will miss.

The second (quite apart from being forced on the child rather than a choice by its parents) puts your child in exactly the same position as their classmates. None of them will have studied new learning and left classmates behind.

OP - a) teachers all have different opinions - they are individual people, not a homogenous mass b) it is not teachers who make the decisions about when schools reopen, who will go back and what happens with exams etc.

Like previous posters, I am baffled as to why you keep saying 'teachers refuse to do x, y or z' or 'teachers say that x, y or z is going to happen'. Teachers don't know and they have no control over what will happen!

You are either being goady or you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Probably both, actually.

It won’t work at all. If all kids were kept back a year where would the new children go? Dd is in reception. If she was held back a year where would the new reception children due to start go? same with year 7’s in secondary school.

They DID have two thirds of school

They had alll of autumn term and spring term. Only missed 8 days of last bit of spring term here.

Theyd be doing sats and tests and not learning now anyway, theyll all be fine

@lazylinguist have you read any thread on here where teachers have positively considered how they can get back to teaching at schools ASAP. Every point has been shot down again and again. It’s incredibly depressing as there seems absolutely no solution they will be happy with. I can see them arguing the point for many months and we as parents are powerless. This is the least disruptive way I can see going forward.

We are hoping in England that nurseries reopen on 1 June and reception etc and that a lot of children - most even have 4 weeks of school this summer term and continue in September as usual.

Why would I mention this? I'm suggesting a solution to this.
If you're not being goady and inflammatory then common sense would say that you'd do a bit more than saying teachers don't want to do their job.
It's the difference between:
A) 9 unions for schools staff have raised concerns about the government's plan, or lack of plan, and many teachers have reservations about how schools can go back to normal in the current climate. As a result there needs to be serious consideration to the following factors so that we can get back to normal in a way that is safe for everyone.

And

B) Teachers don't want to go back to school.

The former is a reasonable and sensible discussion and there's a number of them on here including teachers, schools staff and parents.

The latter is goady whining designed to stir conflict.

You are doing the latter and have continued as the thread continues.

teachers are refusing to go back. They have no intention of getting all primary dc in by summer. (I know some are looking after key worker dc)
have you read any thread on here where teachers have positively considered how they can get back to teaching at schools ASAP. Every point has been shot down again and again. It’s incredibly depressing as there seems absolutely no solution they will be happy with.

Of course OP, you obviously know more about how to phase back schools and address any curriculum gaps than thousands of school staff up and down the country.
Has it crossed your mind that challenging some proposals is because they actually have problems in them? Or are you too busy stirring a parents Vs teachers argument to consider that most of us are actually on the same side and wanting the same outcome in a way that is safe for all?

have you read any thread on here where teachers have positively considered how they can get back to teaching at schools ASAP.

There have been plenty of suggestions on numerous threads. There have of course been posters who are saying this and that can't be done. Some are probably feeling negative, however many others are just being realistic. What works at one school won't necessarily work at another.