Just teacher I won't be sending DS back to school

[TheGoldenNugget]

Just got off the phone with DS teacher, we spoke about schools opening in June and she asked me if I'm planning to send him back when they open. I said no. Anyone else not sending their kids back when schools open in a few weeks?

Considering 65 education staff have died since March
How is this expressed as a percentage of those that have been in schools since March?

@GinWithRosie
We were the same, lots of tears.

I posted in a thread earlier today about Y6 abd I don't think some people believed me how it was going to be.

How is this expressed as a percentage of those that have been in schools since March?

And how many education staff would have died since march anyway, of underlying illnesses or other causes?

If my children were enthusiastic for home learning, and actually listened to me, and I didn't have to work, then I'd keep them off till 2021. At the moment they are going back once schools reopen.

Does anyone actually think the scenario stated up thread is going to be any different come September or January even. No. We have been told that social distancing measures are going to be around for the foreseeable so unless everyone is planning on quitting their jobs and home educating then they are just going to have to accept the reality we are faced with. The sooner your child can adapt to that reality the better.

And how many education staff would have died since march anyway, of underlying illnesses or other causes?

This too.
If there have been thousands of staff in schools since March, then 65 who have (tragically, of course!) died may be a representative figure. And how can we know they caught Covid within the setting?

"Totally in contrast to the reports from Denmark where the staff were upbeat and positive and concentrating on what they CAN do rather than what they can't."

Yes, but Denmark has a competent Government, does it not?

Some are comparing us to countries that have managed this entire situation miles better than us.

My child will not return on 1st June (if in fact it is an option for anyone). She will not be in the first wave of lockdown lifting and therefore part of Boris' experiment. We will wait and watch and make our own judgement about when it is right based on far more than we currently have. We have nowhere near cracked this. The 5 tests are not met. Our death toll is still too high and there is nothing to tell me it's not about to rocket following the changes to lockdown. My child is being educated at home, by me. She's making quick progress and is fine. She doesn't need, at 5 years old, to experience this crappy version of school that actually will probably put her off education for life.

@pennylane83

I don't expect anything to be back to normal come September, but as my DC is in Reception, I would much rather they stayed home until the new school year, instead of potentially going back to their classroom, with their friends and teachers, and expecting things to be the same.

At least in September it will be a new classroom, new teacher and a different expectation, like there would be from Rec to Yr1 anyway.

Totally in contrast to the reports from Denmark where the staff were upbeat and positive and concentrating on what they CAN do rather than what they can't

Teachers on here are saying what they can do? Several posters have laid out measures schools are takinge approach used by Sweden isn't that different from the one being proposed by our schools? The difference being that Swdish schools are much bigger and they have more space to spread out there fore they can accomodate more children?
But still it's not good enough?
Because staff are sad the children will have a very different experience than they are used too they are being negative?
I don't understand what more staff can do given the guidelines issued by the government?

@BirdieDance

Couldn't agree more.

Considering 65 education staff have died since March
How is this expressed as a percentage of those that have been in schools since March?

And do we know whether they contracted Covid directly from the school whilst carrying out their job or did they catch it in the supermarket, in the park, at the petrol pump and just happen to be a teacher. Stats like this mean nothing unless you have the underlying information to put them into context. Without knowing the circumstances of where each of the 30,000+ people who died contracted the virus from, their occupation is irrelevant.

If there have been thousands of staff in schools since March, then 65 who have (tragically, of course!) died may be a representative figure. And how can we know they caught Covid within the setting?

Replace staff in schools with staff in care homes. There was uproar in the press because of how badly managed care homes had been but teachers are workshy skivers for having concerns?

I don't understand what more staff can do

It's clear that no matter what staff say or do, there will always be some posters who aren't happy.

@Yoyoallovertheshow we honestly are just as in the dark as you are! Heads did not get any guidance before the Sunday announcement, and nothing at all following that until late on Monday evening 😱 We were just waiting...with no idea how it was going to translate into 'reality' and when the 'guidance' did eventually transpire on Monday evening, we started mapping out lots of different 'best/worst' case scenarios for our individual schools.

Long term...who knows 🤷‍♀️ It's a waiting game really isn't it, but I have a feeling that schools as we know them now might not reappear for some time. Which makes me so very, very sad because I absolutely love my job, my school, my amazing colleagues and of course, most of all, my lovely, lovely Year 1s who make me smile every single day. I miss them so much 💓

Yes I’m sending mine back in. It’s important for their mental health to be back amongst their peer groups.

@NeneValley

Even if they can't behave/play in a way that comes naturally to them? Unless they are older and can stick to social distancing?

As a teacher who caught Covid. What. The. Fuck. I’m young and I caught it at work and it turned nasty, I thought I would die. I had pneumonia and was coughing up blood. There are reports of spikes in strange illnesses in children and the virus attacking them differently and so presenting in a different way. Before you so willingly send in your children as guinea pigs, read up on how they could be infected and what it does to their organs.
The “everyone dies at some point” comments are so disgustingly naive, I just can’t believe that’s a real person. This illness can be awful, even if you don’t die, it’s potentially weeks of bed rest and no voice and aching lungs and no sleep from constant coughing.
I just wonder who the fuck educated half of the adults of England sometimes...

I think some schools (unions) have shot themselves in the foot a bit here.

Most people who I’ve spoken too who want their kids back ASAP are mainly the ones who’ve had a crap home learning experience with minimal work set, no interaction from teachers etc. Those at private schools/good state schools with zooms and so on seem happier to keep them home if they can. Lots of parents are worried about having no had no set work for their kids since they closed in March.

I think in an ideal world if your kid was happy, schooling well and you had no work worries then you would keep them home longer to see how it goes but That’s not the reality for lots of people.

The Government guidelines say that social distancing within a group isn't likely to be possible for early years and primary children, so I'm not sure why some schools are going to try to enforce 5 year olds sitting at desks 2m apart and teachers not coming near them? It's not going to work and it's not expected of them.

It's almost like they want to make things sound as horrible as possible

Keep children in small groups, take out soft toys and things that are hard to clean, good hygiene - but why pretend 4 and 5 year olds are going to be at desks alone all day?

Doctors in Italy have proven the link between Covid and Kawasaki syndrome in the under 5s. I won’t be sending DD back to nursery any time soon.

I'm not sure why some schools are going to try to enforce 5 year olds sitting at desks 2m apart and teachers not coming near them?

To limit viral transmission? Which is something scientific advisors forgot to factor into their guidelines?

Sorry, not just under 5s.

See here the details. Actually much more worrying than Covid itself.

www.bbc.com/news/health-52648557

@TheBenefitsPeople but it's not possible, is it? 5 year olds aren't able to maintain a 2m distance, adults find it hard enough.
3 and 4 year olds in nursery won't either and I haven't heard of any nurseries telling parents they're going to try to make them.

If under 10s are going to go back to school and childcare, we have to accept they won't do social distancing and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

@Yoyoallovertheshow

Thats fair enough. My child is also in reception but for me personally I feel it would be better for them to go back now, whilst there will only be a few children in the school, to get used to the new environment and set up. Leaving it until September I feel will make it harder because whilst they know they will be in a different year they will have had no closure from their old class/teacher and everything about the school day as they know it will be alien to them. Too overwhelming a change for them having just gotten used to starting school in the first place. These are just my thoughts.