Will Devon & Cornwall be ok to go to in July?

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We are in a real dilemma.. We have to pay the balance on our holiday in the next couple of weeks which is about another £800 on top of the £400 deposit already paid.

We've gone for a self catering holiday flat on the Devon / Cornwall border for last week of June /
first week in July.

Don't really want to go if the touristy places we'd usually go to aren't open but our holiday company are only offering a reschedule so will lose our money if we cancel. We have a family wedding next year (hopefully) so we don't want to rebook.

We were pretty sure we'd still be in lockdown and be able to get a refund but now that the new rules are in place, I don't know if we are or aren't allowed to go.

AIBU to think we should be able to get our deposit back?

It’s not just born and bred locals who do this. Plenty of people move or retire to these picturesque places and then claim it as their own and resent anyone else doing the same.

You don’t own the views people!!! Nor the sand not the mountains. You charge plenty for your car parks and ice-creams so get over it.

So we are hostile for not wanting the virus to be spread here and yet Javintha Arden in NZ is amazing for shutting down her country to stop the spread.

No some on this thread have showed hostility outside of the virus, you included!

They own a building so there won't be any costs then as no electric standby or gas ( if they have some ) and business rates none for this year but what about next when they have no profits from this year to pay , and did they not employ anyone other than themselves , so didn't order good in from anywhere to cook and serve , when one business goes down it has a knock on affect on others

And if some holiday accommodation is given the green light to open by the government, then there are certainly enough businesses doing take aways to mean people won't be stuck inside self-catering for the entirety of their holiday.

We could just do without a massive influx all at once, for public health safety, and it's this that I hope is considered properly by govt when they relax the rules further.

Unfortunately our own council (Cornwall) hasn't done a great job of laying out recommendations to central government. They've just had a bit of a moan about not being consulted.

Well it's been bloody lovely not having tourists here during the pandemic, yes. Less stressful for locals who want to be able to do the right thing and socially distance properly. Also we've kept the infection rate extremely low. It wouldn't be if unfettered tourism had been allowed.

I doubt very much the countryside and tourist areas will be given a straightforward green light over the summer. Perhaps some limited tourism in some areas.

Also no one answered my question as to wether you were born in Cornwall ?

@Easilyanxious I was born here. Why do you ask?

Also no one answered my question as to wether you were born in Cornwall

Since you're so interested @Easilyanxious, no I was not born in the UK. I have lived in many places in the UK and abroad, and moved here to be nearer family a number of years ago.

Our village may be different from others further west into Cornwall, but at an estimate, about 20% of people who live here were born in Cornwall and have either stayed for their whole lives, or moved back and then returned. Pretty much everyone else is from other places around the UK or the world.

We all feel the impact of tourism, positive and negative, because we are permanent residents.

I don't think we are allowed anywhere until 4th July!!

I don't live in Cornwall, but another tourism area in the SW. My dh was born here and his family has owned a business here for over 150 years. Everyone with our surname in the country comes from here and is part of our family. Good enough?

Spoke move on down then- when CV is no longer a threat obviously.

This thread is about unnecessary holidays during a pandemic not permanently relocating before or after.

My grandfather was born and raised in Cornwall though. Does that count? 😂 Not that anyone has ever asked me this question, nor cared about the answer, in the whole time we have lived here!

@ITonyah no just asking as I find it strange when people move to tourist spots then complain about tourists that's all
Not speaking about now but just in general

@Hingeandbracket - am genuinely interested to know how you have reached this conclusion?

It might be bloody lovely @ITonyah, but you don't own the area and can't govern the return of the holidaymakers, so really it doesn't matter what you like.

If Boris lifts the restrictions then people will holiday in Cornwall, no matter what the locals think.

The locals may well be rude and then people won't return the following year, but that's fine they will be able to holiday abroad or in other UK areas.

As I've said before, take the time to make the place able to deal with an influx of people (the supermarkets will be doing this anyway, by ordering more stock as they do every holiday season), get your nightingale hospital ready (as is being done), get social distances sorted in cafes and restaurants, takeaways.

If the government give the OK, people WILL travel! Some will say they won't, but those spaces will be filled by others that will.

@Chiyo666 says you're campaigning and it's doing no good, so you won't stop it.

Moaning on mumsnet is really only a small proportion of the population, it's pointless.

I was even yelled at in the street because someone didn't recognise me and thought I was on holiday. It's honestly a lovely place, usually packed with tourists in the summer

Blimey. Doesn't sound very lovely. And what gives people the right to start yelling at people because they don't recognise them? It's utterly disgusting. And even if someone is walking down the road who you don't recognise the virus does not jump from them, crawl through an open window and into your house.

The lack of rational thinking is extraordinary.

Though I'm not sure why I'm surprised, they did vote for Brexit after all and then started bleating about all the grants they would lose. Well doh.

I live in a Devon seaside town - rumour got round that some people had visited from Birmingham last weekend. Believe me the masses were very very unwelcoming! It was almost a witch hunt.
Also - everything is shut so there isn't a great deal to do. Our supermarkets are far from fully stocked too.
We are meant to go to Cornwall in July but won't unless the situation changes dramatically.

It might be bloody lovely @ITonyah, but you don't own the area and can't govern the return of the holidaymakers, so really it doesn't matter what you like

I actually do own quite a lot of our local area 😂😂

Noone has answered my question...

Do you believe that people from cities coming to the South West will spread the virus?

So we are hostile for not wanting the virus to be spread here and yet Javintha Arden in NZ is amazing for shutting down her country to stop the spread.

I don't think you're unreasonable at all, although it has sounded like you see the rest of the UK as a hotbed of it and your two counties as exempt unless the tourists bring it in. Have you had no post, online deliveries or food/supplies brought in from outside D & C since lockdown began? Have no residents of D & C crossed the eastern Devon border?

I know there have been criticisms of NZ's new laws being over-reaching but, even so, I think Jacinda Ardern is telling people firmly that they will not be permitted entry - she isn't abusing them and all but telling them to F-off back home.

I did respond to your question ITonyah and I further commented that I am coming from a position where my resident parents in the SW are making quite a lot of sacrifices to support people like you, as well as tourists, should any of you become ill. And I still manage not to express vehement hatred towards people asking questions about holidays in the SW

Look at the graphs today on the coronavirus briefing and you will see the tiny number of cases in the SW compared to the rest of the country. Of course people from outside will bring it here. Literally every other region in Emgland has more cases.

Also I'm guessing people commenting have jobs or money that won't be affected by tourism declining but please feel for those that do ? There are not alternative jobs in Cornwall for them and some will be on really hard times
If safer I don't see issue with a controlled level of tourism going forward wether that will be July , August , September who knows

@understandmenow - really interested to know how social distancing is going to work in our nearest village bearing in mind the pavement is about a foot wide and you're barely 2 metres apart on the other side of the street (single track road). The queue for the tiny co-op (the only grocery shop for 7 miles) is constantly about 15 people long (all standing 2 m apart). If it's still like that when tourists come it'll be great fun!! Maybe the local bakery will use the queues as a pasty selling opportunity!

I also live in an area in SW with very low cases and consider myself very lucky to live in such an area but I can also see the bigger picture

Look at the graphs today on the coronavirus briefing and you will see the tiny number of cases in the SW compared to the rest of the country. Of course people from outside will bring it here

And what about the people in London who had weeks of people flying in unchecked from China and Italy at the very peak of their outbreaks. They were allowed to fly in and disperse around the city via the tube and taxis and buses and spread it like wildfire.

Are Londoners ever allowed to say “keep out, we’re closed”? No, they’d be called xenophobic.