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Will Devon & Cornwall be ok to go to in July?

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EinsteinaGogo · 12/05/2020 20:39

We are in a real dilemma.. We have to pay the balance on our holiday in the next couple of weeks which is about another £800 on top of the £400 deposit already paid.

We've gone for a self catering holiday flat on the Devon / Cornwall border for last week of June /
first week in July.

Don't really want to go if the touristy places we'd usually go to aren't open but our holiday company are only offering a reschedule so will lose our money if we cancel. We have a family wedding next year (hopefully) so we don't want to rebook.

We were pretty sure we'd still be in lockdown and be able to get a refund but now that the new rules are in place, I don't know if we are or aren't allowed to go.

AIBU to think we should be able to get our deposit back?

OP posts:
Chiyo666 · 14/05/2020 09:39

Exeter and Cornwall are hardly comparable are they.

SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 14/05/2020 09:42

Why don't people who are owed money email their local MP and Cornwsll/Devon/Holiday destination's MP asking them to demand refunds and closures.

I totally understand them not wanting tourists, and agree, but money needs to be refunded.

Easilyanxious · 14/05/2020 09:42

@Orangesapphire it's not just a 6 week boom is it it may be higher then but from May to at least September you will have relatively high numbers of tourists and I have family in Cornwall and have seen many a village shop close over the years as not enough locals due to holiday homes
To think no business will suffer is not reasonable they will suffer all over the country but counties that rely on tourism will suffer more and it's the knock on affect , when one business goes with jobs etc then suddenly that's less money locals have to spend

TatianaBis · 14/05/2020 09:42

With the exception of holiday accommodation, all those other categories of business have local trade. They might miss the six week super boom of summer trade, that’s true, but local businesses are used by the resident population all year round.

In tourist areas the mid and high season counts for a large % of the income. Many local businesses will always have local trade, but are still dependent on tourism.

It’s not 6 weeks, it’s April - October including 8 weeks of peak season.

TatianaBis · 14/05/2020 09:43

it's not just a 6 week boom is it it may be higher then but from May to at least September you will have relatively high numbers of tourists

Yup.

TatianaBis · 14/05/2020 09:44

Exeter and Cornwall are hardly comparable are they.

Devon and Cornwall and comparable, yes.

Easilyanxious · 14/05/2020 09:44

@cjpark op said they would only offer her to reschedule for next year
That's half the problem these places don't want to refund which I get as they will be in hardship as well but they also can't offer the service so should refund

OrangeSamphire · 14/05/2020 09:45

Truth is, there are people who visit Cornwall all year round. But the numbers are small until the 6 week summer holiday. Certainly too small to be the primary income for local businesses.

It’s local trade, then a boom, then local trade again the rest of the year. Except maybe the theme parks of Padstow, Fowey and St Ives, which are largely devoid of permanent residents now anyway.

TatianaBis · 14/05/2020 09:49

But the numbers are small until the 6 week summer holiday. Certainly too small to be the primary income for local businesses

No, the 6 week peak season is the highest volume. But April, May, September, up til October half term is usually booked out.

20% of local business is tourism.

Dazedandconfused28 · 14/05/2020 09:51

Whatever you decide please do remember there are people and families who run the business you have booked with & many will be in a desperate situation. Please approach your insurers before demanding your deposit back.

middleager · 14/05/2020 09:52

I live in a concrete jungle. The furthest place away from the sea in the UK. I see the sea rarely and can't just nip to the seaside. Not everybody is clinging to their holidays out of selfishness. It's out of hope for that one annual break that they save up for all year (hadn't booked this year fortunately).

Some of the children at our schools have never seen the sea. Not everybody has that 'luxury'. For many, their annual school trip to the seaside (families come too on the coach, who may not have seen the sea either) is life changing. I hope they get to go again.

Been going to Cornwall every year since I was born 47 years ago. Have family there. I go once a year as a treat.

Only Cornwall cuts it for me. We don't go abroad.

Nobody owns the scenery in Cornwall. It's mine to admire too. I understand why residents don't want an influx of visitors and are territorial right now.

So I will be respectful and only come down when the time is right.

rookiemere · 14/05/2020 09:53

No chance of getting a penny back from insurers even if you added - as I did- the relevant cover.

QueeenOfSheeba · 14/05/2020 09:56

I’m just going to give you my personal experience. We went on holiday to Cornwall one half term. Unfortunately, my DD (aged 2) ended up with a sickness bug and didn’t keep any food down for 5 days and was struggling to keep down water.

We had been in contact with 111 and doctors at out of hours. The whole situation was a nightmare. Huge waits for call backs, no appointments available within the time frames that 111 needed her to be seen. In the end, by the time she was eventually offered an appointment, she had started improving thankfully.

The trouble is, when tourists flock to these areas, it does put pressure on the NHS which I’m sure they are very used to in these seaside towns. However, I can’t imagine how they could possibly cope with this, on top of the huge demands that will be placed on them with Coronavirus alone.

Personally, I would cancel.

OrangeSamphire · 14/05/2020 09:57

20% of local business is tourism

Not exactly. 20% is tourism and hospitality. Of which a proportion is not dependent on holidaymakers. And of which another proportion is owned by people outside the area so the money paid for accommodation doesn’t even enter the local economy.

It’s just not as black and white as saying ‘Cornwall needs tourists, without us they are doomed’.

We’re not.

Scruffyoak · 14/05/2020 09:57

Now we are allowed to travel people will go. Shower blocks etc closed won't really put people off. If the lockdown says we can go then we will go.

CHIRIBAYA · 14/05/2020 09:58

I wouldn't go, you might get a taste for how refugees and asylum seekers are made to feel. If cottage letting companies are being difficult then vote with your feet and don't book with them ever again. The company I used has been fabulous and offered full refund or delay until next year.

EffOrf · 14/05/2020 10:00

If OP cancels she will lose her deposit of £400. As the holiday won't be able to go ahead as it starts in June she is entitled to this back but I think she has to pay the balance and then the holiday owners will have to cancel and refund in full. There is lots of stuff on Which and probably MSE about this.

Polar0pposite · 14/05/2020 10:04

Devon Nightingale going to be open this month early next apparently. Clearly they’re expecting an influx and the peak in SW hasn’t happened yet.Hmm

BJo throwing the large grey vote down here under the bus. Hope they remember come next election.

bee222 · 14/05/2020 10:06

You simply cannot compare Exeter to Cornwall.

Exeter is like another world in comparison to Cornwall. When my friends went to Exeter university it was like they were all leaving for “The Big City”. We lived in tiny fishing villages with no public transport connections, one that I bet lots of the people on this thread were hoping to visit this year. You can’t even compare Exeter to Truro. It’s so different I’m just sat here laughing.

ITonyah · 14/05/2020 10:06

Local cafes and restaurants who are doing takeaway are busier than ever! You have to order at least a couple of days in advance though. This scheme wouldn't work for tourists

ITonyah · 14/05/2020 10:08

I think a lot of areas are realising how lovely it is without tourists tbh. It wouldn't surprise me if less weight is goven to them in future. Not all, but some.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 14/05/2020 10:11

I want to be able to take my kids to the beach this summer with out it being unnecessarily packed with people who don’t need to be there.

That’s convenient, isn’t it – you want to be able to take your kids to the beach, but people who live in built-up/inland areas don’t need to be there.

the Qs for supermarkets and no children advice means your son wouldn’t be in the supermarket.

No, there are no children at all in supermarkets at the moment, because there’s no such thing as single parents or two-parent families with one having to be at work – and anyway, you can just tie up young children on the dog hooks outside whilst you do your shopping and queue to pay….

the devastation a massive influx of tourists that bring covid with them?

You’d think that Devon and Cornwall were an isolated island somewhere like Rockall and nobody had travelled in or out at all since the start of the pandemic.

Do people really care about a holiday more than protecting people from dying?

It’s about the balance of probabilities. As I said before, 5 people die every day in the UK in road accidents, so does that mean that everybody who ever takes any vehicle out on the road cares more about whatever it is they have to do that day than people dying?

And what if those businesses’ polite messages were blatantly ignored. They would get even a teensy bit pissed off? Because that’s what’s happening in Devon and Cornwall. People were asked repeatedly not to come but they still did.

I’m talking about polite but firm messages, making it very clear – but using words and phrases like ‘please’, ‘unfortunately’ and ‘we regret that we will not be able to serve you’ rather than ‘go back home’ 'We don't want you' or just painting up a bed sheet calling non-locals ‘rats’.

There are a lot of buisnesses in the South West that don't rely on tourism, by the way.

I’m not sure I agree with that, actually. Even if you sell goods or services that would only ever be used by locals, many of your customers will be paying you with money that has ultimately come into the county via tourism. Supposing that you make a living as a piano tutor, so nobody who is just passing through on holiday would be coming to you. One of your customers is a local who lays block paving drives, so again, only serving locals. One of their customers works as a painter and decorator (and refuses work on principle for holiday lets). Even though the decorator only accepts jobs in houses owned and lived in by locals, some of those locals may work in very busy cafes or gift shops of the sort that would have no or insufficient trade to keep going without tourists. Without all of the tourist money from endless cream teas, ice creams and novelty t-shirts, there might be no money in the system for anybody to pay you for piano lessons.

I live in the West Midlands, where we have lots of motorways, and I don’t tend to stop at the numerous local service stations, as they’re close to where I live and thus I’m not ready for a break when I pass them. That doesn’t mean that our wider regional economy (which includes me) doesn’t rely on the income that they bring in. Just because I don’t stop there, I could theoretically own any number of businesses which could get valuable custom from the people who work there – who wouldn’t be able to buy my goods or services without their earnings from serving people who, by definition, don’t live in the area. It could even be mundane businesses that I want/need to use myself, which might not be there for me if they didn’t get enough trade to keep going, including that from folk who work at service stations.

VaggieMight · 14/05/2020 10:13

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BetsyBigNose · 14/05/2020 10:16

@EinsteinaGogo - You'd like your deposit back and I'd like not to die from you and other tourists bringing Covid-19 to my front door. I think I win - like I said; don't be an asshole - it's only money, not a human life.

Stay away - you are NOT WELCOME. So fucking selfish...

ITonyah · 14/05/2020 10:21

There are a lot of buisnesses in the South West that don't rely on tourism, by the way

I’m not sure I agree with that, actually.

There are lots of buinesses in the south west that don't rely on tourism! How extraordinary that you "don't believe it".

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