Sounds like a bit of a fuck you to parents of preschoolers

[pandarific]

...doesn't it? What the hell is the logic behind primary children possibly going back but not nurseries or childminders?

Or has he just missed them out and they'll be included in guidance tomorrow? (Clutches at straws)

"What are those who work in schools meant to do with their babies and toddlers? Especially if they have family members who usually do some of the care"

Aren't you already a key worker? You can send your child to the nurseries or childminders that are open if so.

Nursery manager here - we know nothing 😂 Hopefully we get word from our local learning trust tomorrow !

Info from the Dfe website

@ Jenasaurus

Please can you provide a link?

I’m in Scotland. We certainly will be socially distancing in primary school when we finally reopen and are planning for it now.

TBH I think that any school age children will find it difficult to socially distance - too many adults have the same problem

What are those who work in schools meant to do with their babies and toddlers?

Nurseries are open for key workers. If you look at the key worker list, its practically everyone.

My ds is still going to nursery and so is my nephew.

I’m wondering too if it’s a bit of a docial experiment - knowing that yR and y1 kids are likely not to stick to social distancing they can see what effects it has on the infection rates as the parents are likely to be younger than the kids in say y10. If the rates don’t shoot up it will make it easier to send older groups back whereas if the rates do shoot up then they will know they have to ensure heavy duty social distancing in senior schools which could be really difficult especially if these days that there are lots of school that were designed as nice spacious buildings for 800-1000 kids that now have twice or more students. And even though they’ve added extra classrooms, the hallways and corridors and common rooms and general space is just a lot more crowded than it ever was.

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This has a cutting from the front page of the Telegraph tomorrow. It states nurseries back at same time as Reception on the target of 1st June.

@wibdib I agree and just said exactly the same thing on a different thread. And it's not long until the summer holidays which gives them a bit of breathing space to analyse the data and see what affect some children going back to school has on the infection rates so they can come up with a plan for what will happen in September.

It makes me really sad when I see (not just here) teachers talk about children as though they are purely sources of infection, about how germy they are and how they will all need hazmat suits or full PPE.

Right now most of our children will be more at risk of contracting it from staff that have been looking after key worker children (seemingly without contacting Covid despite their parents potentially being more exposed? And no, not all schools are getting children who are in to social distance so it isn't just that) than from children that have been on lockdown with no contact with people for weeks or months.

EYFS and Y1 are learning skills that underpin the rest of their learning, they are hard to homeschool and hard to work around.

I've also seen comments about not being able to be outside more with them (lower risk) as we do not have the weather in the UK, forest school nurseries cope, Norway is coping.

I would love to see just a tiny bit of positivity about it, the overwhelming attitude seems to be fear and disgust. I do understand that it isn't "what you signed up for" and that you deserve to feel safe, but there are ways and means.

We do have to keep in mind that the majority of people get mild to moderate symptoms, hand washing and social distancing really help and if you are vulnerable or shielding you shouldn't be forced to work.

Now, who wants to kick the shit out of me first?

I think there will be another spike. I also believes schools/unions will fight against reception and year 1 who cannot distance.

*believe

It makes me really sad when I see (not just here) teachers talk about children as though they are purely sources of infection, about how germy they are and how they will all need hazmat suits or full PPE.

What utter bull shit, I wonder if you will be sitting pretty working from home? No one has said that children are purely sources of infection. However they do spread germs and can not social distance.
So we are being asked to look after a group of children, but can’t meet friends in the park or get on a bus because the risk is too high.

Well it’s not a risk I will take for me without a full hazmat suit.
The GOV clearly know we stand know chance of social distancing and we are the experiment to see if the vet increases. And you want me to be positive about it.

i wont fur comepltely agree

the infection rate for children is very low so when do people think we should start sending them back september? it wont be gone by then

Now, who wants to kick the shit out of me first?. Me but I’ll do it from a distance

What I really don't understand is why year 6 can go back and not year 10 or year 12 for whom it is far more important

DfE have tweeted this https://twitter.com/educationgovuk/status/1259570187327717380?s=21

FurForksSake
I agree with you.
If nursery reopens on 1st June I'll be delighted.
My only concern is for nursery workers who are shielding (or who have someone in their household who is shielding), I hope they will not be forced to work and will be allowed paid leave.

I think tonight was a waste of time. He should have just waited and we would have got all the information tomorrow. I'm sure there is loads that hasn't been said and hopefully it will all be clear in 24 hrs.

It's interesting that everyone wants nurseries to reopen and for staff to put their lives potentially at risk - all for minimum wage. Nobody values us enough to pay what childcare actually costs to implement, teach the children and pay staff what they are worth.

Hopefully the government will allow nurseries to charge top up fees if funding isn't covering costs or actually pay funding that reflects the true value of the job the staff do - for the children, the parents and the economy.

What I really don't understand is why year 6 can go back and not year 10 or year 12 for whom it is far more important

Possibly because older children can be left at home whilst yr 6 can’t? So focus on getting more people back to work? Economy before young people’s education? I do note 49% of people have been at work outside the home since lockdown began on 23 March.

"I work in a baby room. Hope all the babies are OK with me rolling their bottles towards them from 2 metres away and changing their nappies with very long tongs. No hugs either, and I'll be wearing a lovely hazmat suit too"

I've been working in a baby room throughout the whole thing. We have little ones from 6 months to 2 and this includes a lot of brand new little ones who havent had proper settling in sessions. But this is not how my baby room looks. We still sit and snuggle for bottle feeding, we cuddle, bounce, sing, hold hands, help feed them, rock them to sleep. And no not in a hazmat outfit. We bring new clothes to work to change into, were on top of washing hands and surfaces throughout the day and were aware of the spread of covid but these are small people we cant sit meters away and expect them to get on with it while we supervise. So tomorrow when I go to work there will be cuddles and bouncing and giggles as usual. We miss our non essential children though. Cant wait to have them back!

Why did they not release the full document tonight? Why drip feed us all this info? They made us wait a week for this announcement so might as well wait a week for the document.

Tumbleweed
I think a lot of key workers are underpaid for the work they do: healthcare professionals, teachers, childcare professionals, supermarket workers, all those essential jobs that are not paid anywhere near enough.
I still want nursery to reopen and I think a lot of the nursery staff do too, they enjoy their jobs (not in it for the money obviously!) and miss the children.