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AIBU?

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Am I a party pooper?

91 replies

notlyndasnell · 08/05/2020 15:53

I don't mean to be a party pooper, but I cannot celebrate today, when tens of millions of people died as a result of WWII. I will remember those who died fighting and those who died at home. Those who didn't want war but only wanted to live their lives, go to work, raise their families, enjoy the company of friends - and who had that taken away from them.
As a mother of sons I am thankful - every day!- that we live in peaceful times and they don't have to go and fight some senseless war.
Most of my generation grew up in homes where the memories and trauma of two world wars were present and tangible in lots of ways. There was underlying fear that another war might happen, but also hope that it wouldn't. I learned not to take peace for granted: to be prepared for the worst and grateful for every year that went by without another conflict. And I learned to challenge those in power because we were taught at school what might happen if a nation unquestioningly trusted or followed their leaders instead of holding them to account.
So I won't be baking colourful cupcakes, putting up bunting or joining in the singalongs. I need a day of quiet contemplation and gratitude: for democracy and free speech, for peace and prosperity.
AIBU?

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LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 08/05/2020 19:11

@OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow
What is an appropriate and much better defence against these issues is education
Hate is a response to fear. People fear what they don't know. Teach people. That's the only way to change it all. Not by suppressing

Well said, I agree with this.
What I find more frightening is the rise in hate - it's born out of fear, fear of the unknown, and if they're shut down or even just challenged on opinions claim they're being silenced and it breeds more fear and unrest.
Educating yourself is key, or having to think critically and question things instead of blindly going along.

opticaldelusion · 08/05/2020 19:12

It doesn't matter the reason, no one has to celebrate anything if they don't want to. 'Party pooper' is a terrible phrase, used only by the type of person who thinks workplace secret santas should be mandatory.

opticaldelusion · 08/05/2020 19:15

In my house we celebrate/are grateful for VJ day as that is where my relatives fought. This time 75 yrs ago they had a further 2 years to go

Er, you sure about that? VJ day was in 1945 too...

wetpants · 08/05/2020 19:31

OP YANBU, totally agree. You are not a party pooper. I don’t really care for these enforced celebrations.

PamDenic beautifully written

fascinated · 08/05/2020 19:38

It’s the tone, for many, I think.

Victory. It’s all about us. The peace/liberation thing is more of a shared experience with other nations. It underlines the difference, rather than the commonality.

And the idea of celebrating, rather than just marking or reflecting on a significant event. It’s all very jolly.

PhilSwagielka · 08/05/2020 19:41

OP, I didn't do anything to celebrate either as I'm not well right now, I live on my own and didn't feel up to it. No scones, no playing the Last Post (mainly because my trumpet playing is dreadful and my neighbours and cat wouldn't be pleased!), no dressing up, no putting '40s music on, nothing. I lit a candle and recited the Shehechiyanu (a Jewish prayer for special occasions where we thank G-d for keeping us alive to see the occasion) and Kaddish for my grandma and all those who died in the war.

notlyndasnell · 08/05/2020 20:23

Thank you all for your posts. I'm so sorry to read your sad stories about having lost friends or neighbours, having to deal with illness and separation, lost jobs - I'm sure I have missed a few but this is not intentional. I wish I could offer words of comfort. All I can say is I hope things get better for you soon Flowers.

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LynetteScavo · 08/05/2020 20:23

I hate the glorification of war, which I think there is far too much of.

However, I'm quite happy to celebrate the end of the war. I think it's important we don't forget how awful it was that we don't go back there again.

Today I am celebrating peace time and the fact that I have great neighbours who are happy to stand on their drives and shout at each other. It human contact and although I'm enjoying lockdown, the novelty of seeing people who aren't nervously grabbing packets of flour is refreshing.

I'm
Celebrate of peacetime and health today. Who knows what will happen tomorrow?

Ginfordinner · 08/05/2020 21:05

It seems to me that some posters have their own agenda and are reading their own meaning into VE day.

IMO it doesn't glorify war. It celebrates the end of the war. Both my parents were involved in their own way, and I'm proud of them.

Be a miserable old boot if you want, but don't begrudge people trying to bring a little bit of sunshine into the awful situation that is happening right now. As far as I know no-one in our road had a "street party". The layout of the road isn't conducive for one anyway.

PhilSwagielka · 08/05/2020 21:40

Mine's too narrow. An absolute nightmare to park on.

Blibbyblobby · 08/05/2020 22:26

It seems to me that some posters have their own agenda and are reading their own meaning into VE day.

The Union flag is splashed all over the place. It's called VICTORY in Europe day. This is not just celebrating the end of the War, it's glorifying ourselves as victors.

PamDenick · 10/05/2020 00:38

Further to this discussion, another reason I'm uncomfortable with celebrating VICTORY in Europe is there was innocent victims on BOTH sides.
I watched a documentary tonight on Channel 4. One thing that resonated with me was watching the victory parades in Paris and London.There the young women were free to dance in the streets with soldiers. In Berlin, the woman were horrifically raped as the Russians advanced. Yound boys of 12 or 14 were hung from trees for refusing to join Hitler's last push. Yes, Nazis committed atrocities but many ordinary Germans suffered terribly and lauding over a victory over them seems absolutely the wrong thing to do.
All the photos of street parties seem to show huge-bellied bald English men in string vests. It doesn't seem like a celebration, regardless of the health situation of the moment.

TheYellowOfTheEgg · 10/05/2020 01:05

I think the defeat of Nazism is a reasonable thing to celebrate.

Dyrne · 10/05/2020 06:46

PamDenick but it’s not celebrating victory over Europe or Victory over Germany - it’s celebrating Victory in Europe - as in, beating Facism and removing the Nazis from power. The reason it’s called Victory in Europe is because (as other posters have rightly pointed out) the war was still going on in other parts of the world (mainly the Pacific). It’s not some anti-Europe or anti-German sentiment.

Ginfordinner · 10/05/2020 08:06

IMO it should have been renamed Peace in Europe.

PsmDennick I recently read Berlin by Anthony Beevor. Being a woman in Germany during and straight after the war was horrifying.

PhilSwagielka · 10/05/2020 10:47

Yeah, the book I read about Russian women in wartime mentions the atrocities on both sides. Both Germans and Russians used rape as a weapon of war. Sadly, it still happens today - Bosnia and Rwanda are more recent examples, to say nothing of ISIS.

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