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To feel heartbroken for all of our Nurses and Medical staff

26 replies

Leaannb · 08/05/2020 01:00

Being made reduntant? Its so devestating to have these people loosing their homes and stuff. How incredibly unfair. Also so many hospitals starting to enter bankruptcy and closing meaning millions of people without care

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MrsTerryPratchett · 08/05/2020 01:02

Link?

TheThingWithFeathers · 08/05/2020 01:06

I don't understand how a hospital can go bankrupt, are you in the USA?

Leaannb · 08/05/2020 01:08

@TheThingWithFeathers.....Yes I am in the American South

wbhm.org/2020/covid-19-crisis-threatens-bankrupt-close-struggling-hospitals-rural-south/

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Leaannb · 08/05/2020 01:09

@MrsTerryPratchett

wbhm.org/2020/covid-19-crisis-threatens-bankrupt-close-struggling-hospitals-rural-south/

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BBCONEANDTWO · 08/05/2020 01:14

hmmmm is this a joke?

Proudboomer · 08/05/2020 01:14

A video on this subject popped up in my YouTube recommendations.

Seems to be a major problems especially in rural areas and even in major cities some hospitals are only weeks away from bankruptcy.

I always knew the American health care system was shit but this is taking it to another level.

Leaannb · 08/05/2020 01:16

@Proudboomer...Our as local can be hospital which is several hours away from us has closed their doors. 1.2 million people and over 30 counties going without trauma and NICU care....It is completely shameful

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LifeInTheFasterLane · 08/05/2020 01:20

I see you are not in the UK.
Tis is what happens when you run hospitals to make a profit.
It's an awful situation. The poor staff.

Proudboomer · 08/05/2020 01:22

The article I watched was a Bloomberg article entitled Why US hospitals are in critical condition. Coved not only what is happening now with Covid but also the fact that 30 rural hospitals closed last year before Covid even started.

All just high lights the fact that you can’t run a healthcare system on a for profit basis.

Leaannb · 08/05/2020 01:25

@LifeinTheFastLane....If theybrunning a hospital to make a profit then they wouldn't have gone bankrupt. Our hospitals jave been offering at a loss for years and years and years

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MrsTerryPratchett · 08/05/2020 01:29

I've been watching Pandemic on Netflix. The doctor in that working in a hospital that's going under. Supported by sales tax of all things, that the region votes on periodically. So bizarre.

I mean healthcare should be about need not money. The whole American system is fucked.

Leaannb · 08/05/2020 01:35

@MrsTerryPrachet.... They went bankrupt because they provided needed care without money.As far as the local.sales tax being used for the hospital your government does the same thing. Every time I'm in the UK (3 or 4 times a year for the past 50 years your own National Goverment has slashed funding for the NHS. What's the difference?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 08/05/2020 01:39

This is the difference...

Bargaining power. Americans spend vast amounts of money for healthcare in TAXES then also pay for it privately. It's a stupid, inefficient system. The government in the UK do slash funding. They're idiots too.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 08/05/2020 01:39

Well it's not true that funding has been cut every year for the NHS every year for the last 50 years.

KKSlider · 08/05/2020 01:44

Every time I'm in the UK (3 or 4 times a year for the past 50 years your own National Goverment has slashed funding for the NHS. What's the difference?

They're stupid for slashing the funding however they'd never let it go bankrupt and - as currently being proven - the money can be found when needed.

The other difference is that if I become critically ill, I'm not going to be bankrupted by medical fees. If my children are unwell I don't need to dither over whether to take them to a doctor. I don't need to worry that we can't afford DH's medication or that we might have to sell our car to cover his prescriptions.

Running healthcare for profit damages all those who are not filthy rich, starting with the most vulnerable members of society. The American system is shameful.

KKSlider · 08/05/2020 01:48

And that's not to say the NHS is perfect. Like any public sector behemoth, it has it's issues and everyone you ask will have an opinion on exactly what those issues are but its there. Its there when you need it, it is free at the point of treatment, and that treatment is based around who needs it not who can afford it.

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/05/2020 01:54

The NHS is MASSIVELY flawed, in many ways. That's not the argument. The argument is that the American system is utterly stupid and not a system adopted by any other Western democracy. There's the German system, Canadian, Belgian, Australian all different, all trying to make better health outcomes for the population. All 'socialized' to some extent. For really obvious reasons.

Americans pay more for less. Terrible health outcomes and biggest cause of bankruptcies in America. Imagine dying of diabetes or cancer while bankrupt because you're paying for it.

Leaannb · 08/05/2020 01:59

@MrsTerryPrachett...The whole issue is that most hospitals are not supported by tax money and if they are its by local sales tax which is like a half cent for every dollar spent will go to the local hospital. We absolutely need a health system paid for by taxes. If taxes don't pay for it and our citizens cannot pay for it the hospitals go bankrupt. Unfortunately it will never happen

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MrsTerryPratchett · 08/05/2020 01:59

It happens literally everywhere else. Vote better.

Leaannb · 08/05/2020 02:04

@MrsTerryPrachet....That is one thing we can all agree on. The American way is extremely stupid but it's what the people want. Now they are going to get what they thought they wanted. Repercussions of not having a socialized medical system

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MrsTerryPratchett · 08/05/2020 02:15

It's not what they want. It's what they've been manipulated into thinking they want. No one wants to pay for something shit, twice. No one. It's an education and media gap, not a political one.

Leaannb · 08/05/2020 02:16

@MrsTerryPrachett.....Americans are too scared of socialized medical care for it to happen in my lifetime. We do not have any great examples of socialized medicine. Americans only hear the horror stories about socialized healthcare from your country and Canada mostly. None of the good stuff. You add on to the dismal failure of every president and our VA system (very similar to NHS issues) plus the second rate care that people who do have State insurance get it will never,ever happen in my lifetime. I'm so tired of facing this issue as a professional and I'm absolutely terrified. They are opening up our island for tourism on May 15 and our population of under a thousand will swell to 50 and 100,000 for the next 6 months and we no longer have any doctors. Our last Doctor left the island today. What in the he'll are we going to do...It's going to be a long summer

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Leaannb · 08/05/2020 02:26

@MrsTerryPadgett....It most definitely a political and Societal Gap. Then you add on the stories from the failures of the VA system,horror stories coming from UK and Canada when they come here to be treated because they can't get appointments in their home country. I'm a dual citizen of both countries. I literally spend half the year stateside and the other half in Newmarket and Cardiff and you know what the biggest cultural difference between our countries? It's the entitlement system. That's the biggest thing.

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Casino218 · 08/05/2020 02:48

@Leaannb the horror stories are the tool that your president and cronies sell you so that they can continue to profit. Just like the great British public was sold lies about Brexit. In truth yes the NHS has its failings but imagine a situation where you never have to worry about whether you can afford the medical care and treatment you need! Also, I never have to worry if my local hospital or health centre will be 'in business' next week. Another great element of the NHS is that it's joined up. One problem in New York when it came to needing to share ICU beds or PPE was that the hospitals had no system for communicating and sharing resources. I think the Mayor said it himself. This must have increased the risk significantly for patients and staff.

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/05/2020 03:13

horror stories coming from UK and Canada when they come here to be treated because they can't get appointments in their home country.

It's bullshit. But people believe it. I've lived In Canada and the UK. I've been hospitalised in Canada, UK, Thailand, Italy... Never seen any of this nonsense.

You know you can buy healthcare everywhere. Only in America is it the only choice.