To despair about the state of the Labour Party ?

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I’m a long time labour/ remain voter in the north west. Never joined the party although considered doing so to get a vote in the leadership election. Liked Corbyn initially on a superficial basis but knew realistically he hadn’t got a cat in hells chance of winning an election. Too much baggage to endear him to the average voter and the media accusations of him being ‘hard left’ or a ‘stalinist’ were the final nail in the coffin whether they were true or not.
I was relieved that Keir Starmer won. I suspect that if his leadership team get the policies right he will appeal to wavering voters as did Tony Blair but sadly the vitriol directed at him by some members is unbelievable. So much hostility and hatred because he’s not outright attacking the tories for their handling of the covid crisis. I think he’s showing pragmatism and reading the mood of the country correctly, it feels like we’ve got an adult in charge of the opposition rather than a student rabble rouser whose principles were well intentioned but unrealistic. I just don’t get why some members can’t just unify behind him and get on with challenging the Tory government rather than undermining a leader that the major of the party have selected by a pretty large majority.
So do most labour members/ supporters dislike him or is it just a vocal minority who can’t get over Corbyn ?

Growing up near the areas that coal mining affected, the attitude of those who it affected differed between families.

A lot realised to survive they would have to move and retrain to find work, a lot didn’t because it was something that they weren’t going to do. The work would come from somewhere and some didn’t move because they were convinced the mines would reopen as soon as Labour got in and right the wrongs done to them and clung to the dream that one day they would be down the mines with their workmates.

Don't recognise this analysis at all, I sound like I have a similar background/thoughts but I am a member of the Labour party and voted in KS as leader. It was a huge relief to get rid of Corbyn and his followers who were never going to be in a position to win an election. How can KS be despised when he was voted in by the moderate majority? Instead you choose to listen to the bitter bleatings of a tiny minority. I don't use twitter but if I did I wouldn't be interested in what they had to say anyway. KS is doing a good job so far and he has the potential to turn around the shit situation that the Labour party has been in during the last few years. So yes it is just a vocal and bloody annoying minority who are unhappy with the leadership.

ZaraW

"Surely that's his job bringing the Government to account. They have handled the situation poorly. Italy warned the UK we would be in the same situation as them, yet their advice was ignored.

Many countries are amazed at the incompetence of this Government."

So no constructive suggestions and in another month he can tell the Government that they did a rubbish job this month too. Great - very helpful.

The Government HAVE done a rubbish job. You think Bo Jo would listen to him?!

Winter2020 you think the government have been handling this well?

Winter2020 plenty of constructive suggestions here my opinion you can go without cheese until you do your big shop again

PMQ isn't the place to be voicing them.

Labour is dead because people who aren't socialists call themselves that because they genuinely think it's some kind of prime virtue signal and slate anyone with any vaguely centrist attitude as "Right-Wing", it's bloody tiresome and childish. Most people don't want "socialism".

One hopes all the hunter welly wearing Glastonbury Corbyn Remainer ( oh the dissonance there ) devotee young folks who bleated that the old had 'stolen their future ' and hope they died or whatever are satisfied with the outcome of their own stupidity and faith in magic grandpa, the over-promoted activist pamphleteer general who lost us this election ( again ) and thus got the outcome they wanted with the monumental shitstorm of failure of the COVID crisis by the serial impregnator and the resulting care home slaughter.

However Starmer has all the charm and charisma of a ken doll, so it's likely we'll lose again.

The Corbynite / Momentum / Militant hard left don’t care about winning. Never have, never will. They do care about four things :

1, Leftist ideology
2, Palestine
3, Hating Tony Blair, who they will never, ever forgive for winning. They claim they hate him because of Iraq, but that’s incidental.
4, Palestine, which nobody outside the hard left fringe gives a flying fuck about.

The three day week was instigated by the 1973 Oil Crisis in the Middle East, which limited industrial output in the UK, & residential supply of energy.

The Miners Strike came about after that.

AgeLikeWine
I care about Palestine and our role in destabilising the middle east over several decades, and much as I liked some of Blair's policies I think he has serious questions answer over Iraq.
It's not just Corbyn and momentum fans who care about some of those issues.

The momentum "oldies stole your future" is just another pity party narrative like the right wing "look at those immigrants stealing the jobs and benefits". Some people love having a scapegoat to blame for their life not turning out right.

He did give Boris a hard time this week so I look forward to more of that. Boris with his braying jokey manner is not going to win against a QC who was head of the DPP etc. A Barrister vs a Classics scholar hmm knife/gunfight springs to mind

I think Keir Starmer is a blessing to the Labour Party. He speaks with integrity and thought and gives me hope.