Rishi Sunak no more bailouts

[Elpresidente29]

He said government cannot go on like this...

@Purpletigers

Reduce the furlough payments to uc credit levels ?

That's a really stupid idea. Millions wouldn't be able to pay their rent or mortgage, feed their children, etc etc etc. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Whilst it will be distresssing for people to be madd redundant, they will be in the same boat as a self employed person whose profits were an average of £50,001.

Lots have said that’s fair and those self employed should have savings for bad times. Employees have their notice period to do the same. Whilst self employed take the risk of no work, employed should bear the risk of being made redundant.

Well if they're going to stop the money they need to let us back to work. Can't just keep lockdown going and give people no means to support themselves.

Turnthebiglightoff - that’s the same for self employed over the cap. Lots of them are using their savings to pay their business fixed overheads. If they have insufficient savings they’re told universal credit is enough. Why is it classed as enough for self employed but not employed?

@ShootsFruitAndLeaves

I get ya, Janet nets the government more than John of course. But under normal circumstances John will educate more kids at a time, whose parents can’t afford private education (most nurses, firemen, care workers etc!) so that they can go on to be productive members of society.

An expense, sure, but I’d call that an economic benefit.

As for Rishi Sunak saying this before exit plans are decided, personally I saw it as just more pressure to get a move on - also a message to those who perhaps expect too much not to expect any more

Meanwhile everyones anxiety levels with be through the roof waiting until Sunday to find out the governments 'plan' and whether that will mean their employers deem their job neccessary or not come the end of the June. Sometimes saying nothing at all is the better option!

JustAnother I got that. Honest! In a previous life I would have been collecting local data for some of the studies.

I was responding to the hyperbole of ThrowingGoodAfterBad who wants food rationining and seems to believe no rich peole are dying from covid! I think - that post was a tad torturous to untangle!

It is impossible to have a discussion with that sort of trowel usage! Maybe we could discuss it more rationally now they have gone back to RL??

@Alsohuman

You can nuance yourself into oblivion. It will not alter the fact that public sector workers are paid by the treasury, they don't contribute additional tax receipts. I find it entertaining that you are incapable of acknowledging this fact without insults. It is most revelatory.

DWP and HMRC , DVLA could be ' hived off' but as they don't make any profits I doubt anyone would want to buy and run those!

The work of DVLA, and many other "public" agencies, is already being carried out by private companies. Other examples are TV licensing, visa processing, offender management (prisons etc), many elements of social care...

For local government, many have some of their functions outsourced e.g. HR, call centres, various support bodies, traffic wardens, environment wardens are a few. For all these hived off services, you still need the same number of people to do the job, the same management infrastructure & the same equipment. In addition the company carrying out the role isn't doing it for the public good, they need to make their profits on top of the costs, thereby costing more. I did a brief study on this back in the '90's when privatisation of Government Services was all the rage, and in most cases the cost went up considerably, whereas it had been justified by notional reductions in costs.

Sadly cutting numbers of public servants has often been a visible way of "doing something", and I know of at least one Central Government Agency which was privatised that was a revenue earning agency.

Sometimes saying nothing at all is the better option! Can you imagine the threads if they had chosen to say nothing at all!??

The only way round it all to be a ' small state ' society

Yes please - except that doesn't have to mean what you suggested
For many of us, the role of the state is to provide the essentials and to do it properly: education, health, security and others you mentioned. What it shouldn't be doing is empire-building by interfering with every last thing to create pointless jobs for itself, and for me that's where the axe should fall

It's the same with "protecting the NHS", in that much of what we're having to protect it from is the consequences of utter mismanagement, almost criminal waste and a sacred cow status with little accountability

And yes I know these are all issues for the post-virus future, but what worries me is that, once things start to return to normal, they'll just be swept under the carpet again

It's the same with "protecting the NHS", in that much of what we're having to protect it from is the consequences of utter mismanagement, almost criminal waste and a sacred cow status with little accountability

Well said.

I think it’s a given that people will be going back to work.

Although I imagine they may do something for the industries they keep closed past the end of June.

You can nuance yourself into oblivion. It will not alter the fact that public sector workers are paid by the treasury, they don't contribute additional tax receipts. I find it entertaining that you are incapable of acknowledging this fact without insults. It is most revelatory

What would be more revelatory would be if you read some of my previous posts and addressed the points made therein. I haven’t insulted anyone, by the way.

It's the same with "protecting the NHS", in that much of what we're having to protect it from is the consequences of utter mismanagement, almost criminal waste and a sacred cow status with little accountability

Yep.

We used to acknowledge that there were many reasonable criticisms of the NHS and accept them as part of the public discourse.

I think it’s a given that people will be going back to work.

80% of the public think it's 'too soon'.

We used to acknowledge that there were many reasonable criticisms of the NHS and accept them as part of the public discourse

And we will again but now’s not the time. PHE and the procurement arm actually have blood on their hands and I sincerely hope heads will roll.

What £10k grants are you talking about please @ planetofthecats ? Never heard of this.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-52420392

Bloody disgusting and unfair. Still the Tories love protecting the rich!

If we don't get the R down low enough before restarting we are in for a second worse peak potentially. We have to hold on tight for another few weeks and then life will pick back up.

I think furlough has to stay in place until that happens, probably end at the end of July latest. At which point businesses will go bust, new businesses will open and life will slowly start to move again.

The problem with stopping furlough or switching it to UC levels is that it will make people feel the need to break lockdown. There are already people working in shady ways that shouldn't (hairdressers and beauticians apparently working from home in shady networks for one example of something already happening).

There are industries that will be affected disproportionately (live music, the arts, other children's events. I can't see how they will get going again and they will need a lot of help.

Can you imagine the threads if they had chosen to say nothing at all!??

Yes, if Rishi had waited until Sunday to announce this then for the next 6 days everyone would contine living in blissful ignorance believing that the government would carry on bankrolling the entire nation for the next 18 months until a vaccine was available (rolls eyes)........ and then reality would hit, along with an exit strategy and how it is likely to impact on us rather than the limbo Rishi has left us in.

I have two jobs one in hospitality one in retail charity sector both of my jobs have been furloughed so people who are saying people should not get money from the government are you saying that instead of my 80% of my minimum wage jobs I should get nothing its not my fault im not working at the moment I had no choice and one of my jobs is going to be longer opening than the other one so should I accept £75 a week UC level because my jobs are not there at the moment I cant wait to get back to work and at 63 non driver I don't exactly qualify for most of the volunteering on offer at the moment, cant take a paid job conditions of my furloughs

Bloody disgusting and unfair. Still the Tories love protecting the rich!

Maybe some Tories do, but conservatives don't. Anyone who claims to be conserve (small c) would anticipate that broad emergency powers + printing money = corruption.

If the government were being honest about the current state of affairs, they'd stop blathering about stay home/protect the NHS and start warning us that the debt it mounting and much of taxpayer's money will land in unworthy pockets and we've got to find our way out ASAP.

It should come as no surprise to Sunak that unethical people exist.

Oh please! We're not children. The situation is changing daily. Anyone who thinks this is bloody Limbo needs a shake!

Many companies are not continuing to furlough all staff. DH has gone back to work. May be refurloughed in 3 weeks if necessary. All according to the government guidelines.

Because of that I too have offered one of my larger clients my services from next week. I am self employed, qualify for the SEISS and have an application date. I can continue to work and as of next week, I will! Mainly because I now have PPE in place and have a set of new SOPs to work to!

Things are changing as people, employers understand what can and cannot be done in their specific workplaces.

To the person who decided people live too long now

Would you prefer a Carousel like on Logan's Run when people reach 30 ?!
FFS

Sadly I think some people are getting comfortable on their furloughed salaries and long may it continue. To the PP who doesnt drive and its not their fault that they cannot work. Well, yes and no. I learnt to drive many many years ago so that I could pick and choose more jobs. If you choose not to drive that is fine but it does realistically limit what you can do.

When this is over people with little in the way of qualifications will be saying that they cannot get any roles and just too many people are applying for the same position.

There is another thread going on where a women has 5 children and wonders what sort of benefits they can claim for. People who choose to have 5 children are unlikely to find that working actually pays their childcare bill (which is properly the answer they were looking for!)