Why are so many threads being deleted if anyone dares says anything about China?

[suzilady]

No rasist comments please . I think so many posters are trying to express their opinion about the changes going forward that need to be made by Chinese goverment or laws being inroduced on welfare and hygiene standards in China...or they may think The World Health Organization needs to adapt ....etc . Its really frustrating that if anyone dares say what they think , the thread is removed. Surely we should be able to have a open discusson. I ask again no rasist remarks of any kind.There have been so many deleted threads recently and they have had lots of posts, so its clearly something that should be talked about.

You need to get laid...

Oh dear

Threads get deleted for Talking about a (deleted) thread too

I would feel better if threads began 'angry with the Chinese government'

Another little word. I am never sure if you are angry at the Chinese government, Chinese citizens or ethnic Chinese in general, including people like whose great grandparents left China for Singapore 100 years ago. If you say Chinese government, I would not disagree with you.

Maybe Mumsnet HQ receives official complaints?

I think your reply to FTM was entirely reasonable considering how rude she was by correcting your spelling in the way she did.

Can't take it, don't dish it out.

Some stuff is pure speculation but read as fact.

Very true. What is also true and not speculation in the Chinese government’s policy of executing prisoners and selling their organs to rich people who want a transplant.

I posted some links on one of the deleted thread. One poster thanked me as she was previously unaware of that fact.

Here you go again...

amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes

www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/amp/

www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(04)17631-9.pdf

FTM "bothrred" ????
Pots and kettles eh?

Desiringonlychild I think people mean Chinese goverment but it comes across as China ? Chinese which is a shame it is not said in the correct way.

@TheCanterburyWhales Lol that's obviously a typo. I don't think 'rasism' is a typo, especially considering it was done twice.

Anyhow, I didn't intend to offend. It's so British to be offended by someone correcting you if they fail to be sickly sweet or extremely apologetic about it.

Never mind, aye.

@suzilady the lines are blurred. Also lots of comments about Chinese culture and cuisine. Firstly Chinese culture also includes culture of the huge Chinese diaspora. Often the cultural traditions practiced on Hong Kong, Taiwan are more 'authentic' because of the CCP's history of suppression. Also Chinese cuisine is not a monolithic entity. Kinda like saying French food is British. Given that this is the uk, most British Chinese originate from Hong Kong. Where eating wildlife is illegal. Even in china, it's not practiced everywhere.

@letmethinkaboutitfornow I can read Chinese and trawled through forums/articles to see the Chinese perspective on the wet markets. A lot of young people don't want to eat it but their elders pressure them to. Corrupt government officials are big consumers of the wildlife, it's their way of flaunting. So of course they want the wildlife markets to go on. You have to target these rich government officials not random Chinese people. Most of whom can't afford to eat wildlife. Or the super poor people who breed the wildlife in unsanitary conditions because they would starve otherwise.

I have had the same on Facebook, I cannot see what is remotely racist about examining and needing to know the Chinese governments role is in all this. It’s not an isolated incident, it’s around the 3rd or 4th time in the last 20 years or so that something similar occurred and initial feelings are wet markets to blame. It seems they failed to learn from previous times. If this was the UK I would be saying the same, racism doesn’t come into it, itsnot ‘individuals’ people are questioning, it’s the Chinese system.

@Desiringonlychild - that`s a great insight!
I have some Chinese colleagues (maybe even mates!) most of whom I havent seen for months due to the current situation.

That`s a valid point and it would be helpful to have a clear strategy on what we / the rest of the world should / could do to help mitigate this risk.
I am absolutely fed up with the lockdown and ready to go back to the office tomorrow! - currently the Chinese government is the one we blame the most

The chinese government absolutely need to be held to account for this. Its not the first time in the last 20 years a fatal virus with similar origins has come from there. Wet markets are evil and abusive to animals both wild and domesticated and their track record of torturing and disappearing citizens who go against them is not to be ignored any longer.

I agree with pp on other threads we need to start manufacturing our own things here and stop exporting from china.

Probably deleted as most of these threads descend into racist comments about Chinese people. Questioning the actions of the Chinese govt is acceptable, posts which refer to Chinese people as disgusting (and threads normally go in this direction) not acceptable.
I have reported many racist comments over the last few weeks.

The Chinese Government absolutely deserves robust criticism.

However, while I didn't see yesterday's deleted threads, there have been a lot of overtly racist comments on this site (that HQ has dutifully removed).

@tarasmalatarocks they are a dictatorship, they don't 'learn'. The only thing they are interested in is maintaining power. The problem is china has always been governed like that for thousands of years. I wish china had just gained economic power rather than political power because the west was strong- EU and the USA had strong leaders and diplomats who knew how to handle china . As Deng Xiaoping said, the original plan was for China to keep its head down and focus on getting rich before trying to become a world superpower and breaking international norms.

China is the way it is because there isn't a leader of the free world and so china stepped into a power vacuum. It is a rouge state who isn't answerable to anyone.

@ShanghaiDiva - I am sure there are some Chinese people who are not so nice (just like in every other society)
However all of them I had a chance to meet with have been nice to me. (having said that, I am not so keen on Chinese cuisine... )
So I cannot say anything negative about the people / persons

Desiringonlychild... It is really scary to read that. This virus has affected the whole world and to say that the goverment in China is not answerable to anyone....What do you think will happen when its over?

Exactly.
I lived in China for 12 years and also not a massive fan of Chinese food (obviously given the size of the country, calling the cuisine ‘Chinese food’ is a horrible generalisation on my part)

@Desiringonlychild

Good post. The rapid decline of the US is a disaster for western democracies. Think we may be past the point of no return now.

My brother lives in China, married to a chinese woman. I believe the problem is the ignorance of most people to what actually it means to be chinese. It is an enormous country and rather like america the people there are quite different in different north to south, the young have a different mindset from the old. The difference being that we are much more aware of how different americans can be from state to state, whereas we have little idea how chinese people can be different from province to province.

We only see the urban visitors who are the new middle class, well heeled, travelled, with an addiction to our antiques, burberry, prada, etc. They are aspirational. Their elders are quite different.

It is a rouge state who isn't answerable to anyone
Does that mean everyone has to wear blusher?

sorry I used the word different so many times reading back.