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To think we could just collate all the teacher/teaching related information here, and have done with it?

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SachaStark · 29/04/2020 12:47

Just to save time, shall we just have a thread here, where our teaching colleagues can collate all the answers to the questions about teachers and schools, to save having to repeat the same stuff again and again?

  1. Why aren’t the teachers working?

They are working.

  1. What are the teachers doing all day?

A myriad of things. Including, but not limited to: gathering evidence to get qualification data for Year 11 and Year 13, planning lessons that can be taught remotely, creating resources, marking work, checking on vulnerable children, completing safeguarding referrals, writing school reports, in school minding key worker children, writing new schemes of work and policies for the COVID-19 world, delivering free school meals to students...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers doing online video lessons?

Some are. Most (the correct decision, IMHO) are not doing this, following union guidance. This is due to unsafe platforms, such as Zoom, the inappropriateness of it for some ages/classes, and due to safeguarding reasons.

  1. What safeguarding reasons could there possibly be for not doing online video lessons?

So, so many, sadly. Including, but not limited to: the vulnerability of teachers’ images or voices being used to create online memes (at best) or pornographic material (at worst) by downloading and manipulating the clips, protections of both staff and students who may be hiding from dangerous individuals known to them, the possibility that abuse may happen live online in front of other children, the possibility that some children may appear on camera either undressed or performing indecent acts...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers in school actually teaching the key worker children?

We’ve been told not to teach key worker children in school, we are only child minders at present. This is due to the possibility of unfairness if we are teaching some children and not others, and also because it is impossible to plan for and execute when you are trying to maintain social distancing, and also have no idea what year groups you will have in each day.

  1. What’s happening with the school curriculum?

It’s been suspended.

  1. When are the schools going back?

Literally, NONE OF US KNOW. It doesn’t matter what your school has said or not said, or what your neighbour’s Aunt Gertrude has said. None of us know anything about when the schools are going back.

  1. Why can’t they summer holidays be cancelled, and the kids go back to school then?

Because the teachers and students are technically working right now. The children will need their summer holidays, and the staff will need them, too.

  1. But other industries have had their holidays cancelled, so why can’t teachers have theirs cancelled?

It’s more complicated than it is in other industries. Teachers aren’t paid for their holidays, and they also can’t take them as time off at a later date. The government would have to pay six weeks’ extra pay to all teachers, which I don’t reckon they’ve got the spare cash to do.

  1. Why can’t teachers just work it unpaid?

Because we are not bloody saints, and we aren’t very well paid in the first place.

  1. Why are the teachers still receiving a full salary?

Because they’re still working full-time, see above, points 1 and 2.

  1. But why isn’t MY child’s teacher doing X, Y or Z?

We have absolutely no idea. Why don’t you contact the school in question? Maybe they are, and you haven’t seen it yet? Maybe they’re not, and they’ve actually absconded to Hawaii? Maybe they’re just drinking gin all day? Who can tell, I certainly can’t...

  1. What are the daffodils on posts about teachers/teaching for?

It was decided in a thread on The Staffroom that it would be far more productive to give each other flowers on threads clearly guilty of teacher bashing, since many people’s mental health and well-being is at a real low at the moment, and many hard-working teachers are genuinely upset by these posts.

  1. Is it really teacher bashing, though? I’m so bored of hearing this.

It is, because these threads generally rely on generalisations regarding an entire profession, and are simply an excuse to “have a go”, rather than doing the more productive thing and contacting their child’s school.

  1. But don’t teachers think they have the hardest job in the world? They’re always moaning and being so defensive!

Literally none of us have ever said that we have the hardest job in the world. I don’t know who does. NHS staff at the moment, for sure. Other key workers still having to carry on in difficult conditions, absolutely. But we definitely are facing some very difficult tasks in our jobs right now, that we’ve had no time to prepare for, in an unprecedented situation. Exactly the same as most other lines of work are having to do. And we have to defend ourselves, because SOME posters on here do love a pile-on when it comes to teaching.

  1. Would you like a glass of wine?

Fuck yes, most of the time, actually. Care to join me?

Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil

OP posts:
ChloeDecker · 29/04/2020 19:58

And Zi am also one of those teachers who think we should be back now, and will be the first back

You and pretty much every teacher (bar those ill etc) will be through the door at the same time insert social distancing joke here, when we are told to. Stop trying to make out on all these threads you post on, that this isn’t the case.

Snuggles81 · 29/04/2020 19:58

@Howaboutanewname so you are happy to wait for a vaccine before we go back to school?

You have taken my message completely out of context. My point was because the posters comment was not wanting to go back in June. The poster was worried that some teachers may want to holt going back to school for much longer than needed.
My comment was to reassure the poster that the majority of teachers would back going to school when is safe and we are able to do so.
If you have read any of my other comments I have also started the need to plan for when we go back, to explore all the points you have made. I have never said people are bad teachers for being concerned

Snuggles81 · 29/04/2020 19:59

*poster friends

Piggywaspushed · 29/04/2020 20:00

stellamboscha, selective school, small classes? Right? Good access for the kids you teach to IT?

AnnaNimmity · 29/04/2020 20:01

callmeangelina, I did read the OP. I have no idea about union advice and it was a genuine question. No judgment was meant or made towards those teachers who don't do zoom. There is no need to be hostile.

And i am VERY well aware of all the inequality issues and the vast unfairness of all of this on the poorer children.

Piggywaspushed · 29/04/2020 20:03

Could you also stop peddling the myth that my outstanding teaching resources would be enhanced by a crappy voiceover .

AnnaNimmity · 29/04/2020 20:03

all i know is that in my house 2 of my children are getting zoom lessons and 2 aren't. So it was actually a genuine question.

phlebasconsidered · 29/04/2020 20:07

I'm glad you can embrace technology Stellamboscha. In my class at school we had 18 laptops between three classes of 30 plus.

My class of 34 (36 for maths and english) are coping but only 14 of them are online on laptops. 5 are on phones / kindles. The rest I have to post or deliver paper to.

Because a shit ton of schools are not all lovely amd leafy and well resourced and neither are the kids that go there. So it's not that we are not embracing tech. Please at least try to understand the range of schools and difficulties across the country.

Katjolo · 29/04/2020 20:09

Great post OP

ladygracie · 29/04/2020 20:11

Anna - have you emailed the schools to ask them? Are the children who aren’t getting zoom lessons being sent work or do they have nothing?

CallmeAngelina · 29/04/2020 20:16

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CallmeAngelina · 29/04/2020 20:23

in my house 2 of my children are getting zoom lessons and 2 aren't.
Turn it around. The 2 that are getting them, shouldn't be, according to Union advice and safeguarding guidance.

Sewingbea · 29/04/2020 20:24

Excellent post OP, thank you.

AnnaNimmity · 29/04/2020 20:25

I haven't asked the question anywhere else. I've hidden all the corona virus topics (for very good reason clearly) , and I asked one question about zoom. I have no criticism of teachers or anyone else (apart from the govt) because I know that we're all doing our best. So no, there's no need to be hostile. And there's certainly no need to swear at me. Don't @ me. I'll bow out now.

Ladygracie, they're all at different schools, so clearly the 3 schools are taking different approaches and have different views on the use of zoom. My question was because my little girl is very anxious about it all and her mental health is suffering. It would benefit her to see her teacher that's all.

Bowing out now.

FlamingBell · 29/04/2020 20:25

Daffodil I wholeheartedly agree with this. I bloody love teaching but my god these last few weeks haven’t been easy teaching remotely. Wine

Piggywaspushed · 29/04/2020 20:33

Or haven't been remotely easy either!

PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 29/04/2020 20:36

I'm in the ME, & we are expected to use Zoom twice a week - this means I have to go into school as the internet in my compound is suddenly having to cope with all the non-teachers working from home, plus their kids doing distance learning, & well, it isn't.

This is fine: I go in for one day a week, my heaviest timetable day, & blast through a Zoom with each class. There's one class I don't see that day so I Zoom them from my phone on a different day.

But here's the issues.

Firstly, I can teach 'live' as my dc are teenagers. They are holed up in their rooms hot spotting their own assignments from their phones. Colleagues with younger kids are buggered.

Secondly, all the aforesaid safeguarding issues. Because we are overseas we have much less of a safeguarding culture. This is not a good thing. Stellamboscha is sort of right that you can use the settings to eliminate some of the risks, but not all. Lots of geeky kids currently have nowt better to do than try to cause mayhem at other schools! Also, very few teachers have had sufficient training in this.

Thirdly, Zoom is a bit crap. We have a weekly department meeting that is endlessly useless because of people cutting out, talking over each other inadvertently, etc. Try that with 20 kids & it's just not a very effective medium.

My own kids LOVE the Zoom lessons & I don't want to discount that - they get to see & speak to their teacher & their mates which is invaluable right now. But it isn't where the learning takes place. Its value is social & cohesive, rather than academic.

Also - great OP, thank you Daffodil

Cherrysoup · 29/04/2020 20:37

Bloody brilliant post, @SachaStark! Pretty much all of what you say is my situation. I’ve spent 3 hours today on one thing, ranking students for centre assessed grades. That was an extra job (after having checked the current predictions/last mock exam Progress 8 data on SISRA versus last year’s to ensure parity) This is obviously incredibly important, it must be correct. Maybe teachers without exam groups aren’t as busy, I don’t know.

My primary school teacher relative said they’ve basically given the children booklets to complete but they aren’t expected to mark them when they get back. Other secondary colleagues are doing things differently, but we’re doing individual lessons per day. It’s tricky, especially when we had no training on the system we were told to use!

Stellamboscha · 29/04/2020 20:41

But as the children get used to Zook they behave -as I expect them to in a normal classroom. And for them it is reassuring - they are with their regular teacher and their regular peers. We are getting productive work done and it is working well. Unions are not out employers and they are resistant to change -even when it is beneficial. As I said before, I too was scared of Zoom, but if you are adaptable and competent -as teachers are generally by definition - it is a very positive way of making the best of an otherwise difficult situation.

Stellamboscha · 29/04/2020 20:44

And as for 'training' as professionals we should be able to work out basic things for ourselves without bleating about 'training'.

Hadenoughfornow · 29/04/2020 20:45

I love my kids school. I always have. It's the one that everyone turns their noses up at. And its bloody brilliant.

And they are excelling themselves at the moment too.

Its a really hard situation for us all, but they are doing really well and have got really good resources lined up for the kids. It's obvious how much work is going into it and its really appreciated in this house anyway. It just makes me love their school all the more.

Mistressiggi · 29/04/2020 20:46

Anyone else wondering if there's a teenager somewhere just now trying to decide which body to stick a screenshot of Stella's head onto?
I've been embracing technology like the clappers in the last few weeks. Hadn't used teams or onenote before or zoom (for staff meetings) and now I'm doing all that times the number of my own children I have too.

hehwb · 29/04/2020 20:48

Thank you OP 👏

Hadenoughfornow · 29/04/2020 20:52

I did laugh at the teacher on newsnight last night.

She mentioned the teenagers who had stuck their pic onto device to pretend they were attending their Zoom lesson Grin

Aliiiii · 29/04/2020 20:57

Wonderful wonderful post! Thank you Grin

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