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To think we could just collate all the teacher/teaching related information here, and have done with it?

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SachaStark · 29/04/2020 12:47

Just to save time, shall we just have a thread here, where our teaching colleagues can collate all the answers to the questions about teachers and schools, to save having to repeat the same stuff again and again?

  1. Why aren’t the teachers working?

They are working.

  1. What are the teachers doing all day?

A myriad of things. Including, but not limited to: gathering evidence to get qualification data for Year 11 and Year 13, planning lessons that can be taught remotely, creating resources, marking work, checking on vulnerable children, completing safeguarding referrals, writing school reports, in school minding key worker children, writing new schemes of work and policies for the COVID-19 world, delivering free school meals to students...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers doing online video lessons?

Some are. Most (the correct decision, IMHO) are not doing this, following union guidance. This is due to unsafe platforms, such as Zoom, the inappropriateness of it for some ages/classes, and due to safeguarding reasons.

  1. What safeguarding reasons could there possibly be for not doing online video lessons?

So, so many, sadly. Including, but not limited to: the vulnerability of teachers’ images or voices being used to create online memes (at best) or pornographic material (at worst) by downloading and manipulating the clips, protections of both staff and students who may be hiding from dangerous individuals known to them, the possibility that abuse may happen live online in front of other children, the possibility that some children may appear on camera either undressed or performing indecent acts...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers in school actually teaching the key worker children?

We’ve been told not to teach key worker children in school, we are only child minders at present. This is due to the possibility of unfairness if we are teaching some children and not others, and also because it is impossible to plan for and execute when you are trying to maintain social distancing, and also have no idea what year groups you will have in each day.

  1. What’s happening with the school curriculum?

It’s been suspended.

  1. When are the schools going back?

Literally, NONE OF US KNOW. It doesn’t matter what your school has said or not said, or what your neighbour’s Aunt Gertrude has said. None of us know anything about when the schools are going back.

  1. Why can’t they summer holidays be cancelled, and the kids go back to school then?

Because the teachers and students are technically working right now. The children will need their summer holidays, and the staff will need them, too.

  1. But other industries have had their holidays cancelled, so why can’t teachers have theirs cancelled?

It’s more complicated than it is in other industries. Teachers aren’t paid for their holidays, and they also can’t take them as time off at a later date. The government would have to pay six weeks’ extra pay to all teachers, which I don’t reckon they’ve got the spare cash to do.

  1. Why can’t teachers just work it unpaid?

Because we are not bloody saints, and we aren’t very well paid in the first place.

  1. Why are the teachers still receiving a full salary?

Because they’re still working full-time, see above, points 1 and 2.

  1. But why isn’t MY child’s teacher doing X, Y or Z?

We have absolutely no idea. Why don’t you contact the school in question? Maybe they are, and you haven’t seen it yet? Maybe they’re not, and they’ve actually absconded to Hawaii? Maybe they’re just drinking gin all day? Who can tell, I certainly can’t...

  1. What are the daffodils on posts about teachers/teaching for?

It was decided in a thread on The Staffroom that it would be far more productive to give each other flowers on threads clearly guilty of teacher bashing, since many people’s mental health and well-being is at a real low at the moment, and many hard-working teachers are genuinely upset by these posts.

  1. Is it really teacher bashing, though? I’m so bored of hearing this.

It is, because these threads generally rely on generalisations regarding an entire profession, and are simply an excuse to “have a go”, rather than doing the more productive thing and contacting their child’s school.

  1. But don’t teachers think they have the hardest job in the world? They’re always moaning and being so defensive!

Literally none of us have ever said that we have the hardest job in the world. I don’t know who does. NHS staff at the moment, for sure. Other key workers still having to carry on in difficult conditions, absolutely. But we definitely are facing some very difficult tasks in our jobs right now, that we’ve had no time to prepare for, in an unprecedented situation. Exactly the same as most other lines of work are having to do. And we have to defend ourselves, because SOME posters on here do love a pile-on when it comes to teaching.

  1. Would you like a glass of wine?

Fuck yes, most of the time, actually. Care to join me?

Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil

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Whatsername177 · 01/05/2020 18:45

Lidlfix - I have had to do that too. I agonized over my decision bit I do think I'm as right as I can be. Hoping the grades hold up to scrutiny by SLT.

SachaStark · 09/05/2020 12:59

Just going to quickly bump this one, as the dreaded threads are starting to rear their ugly heads again.

Bit of a longer break this time though, wasn’t it? Must be about three days or so.

Anyway, I hope all school staff are having a nice weekend Daffodil

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LolaSmiles · 09/05/2020 13:14

I'm not surprised they're starting again. Give it until Boris announces some changes to lockdown and the usual 'why aren't schools open' will start again complete with claims from some posters that they can't possibly understand what issues exist in school buildings over capacity, with corridors that don't allow for social distancing and classrooms that can only safely run at 1/3 capacity.

Our country's response and people's refusal to follow lockdown already makes us a laughing stock without people pushing to have thousands of kids in a limited space.

tiredanddangerous · 09/05/2020 13:16

I haven’t rtft yet but just wanted to add that you can’t unilaterally state what all teachers are doing. It varies hugely from school to school, and therein lies the problem.

LuminousAmber · 09/05/2020 13:21

As far as I can see you can summarise even further.

There are some great teachers and schools. There are some shit teachers and schools.

Corona doesn’t make the shit ones great. So if you’re stuck with a shit one, moan about it to the school itself because there’s nothing anyone on MN can do 🤷🏻‍♀️

SmileEachDay · 09/05/2020 13:25

It varies hugely from school to school, and therein lies the problem

No, that’s not the most important problem - most schools are delivering a holding curriculum remotely. Little new content because it’s very difficult for children to learn new stuff like this. Plus, when we do get back to school, we will have to redeliver it all because uptake is so patchy.

Yes, some schools are doing a better job of filling the day. Possibly some selective schools are managing to deliver new content with 100% of students have solo use of IT and live lessons, but that is a tiny minority and actually, there are some issues emerging around that.

The big problem is how we keep children, staff and communities safe when we return and how we change the curriculum plans so Y10 and Y 12 are not disadvantaged further.

Whitestick · 09/05/2020 14:26

Corona doesn’t make the shit ones great
It can certainly make a great one mediocre, in terms of trying to deliver online under entirely new conditions and restrictions!

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 09/05/2020 14:35

Yes people should RTFT that way we don’t have to keep referring to the burgundy book and ts & cs ad infinitum. Very few other workers get grilled in their employment ts & cs to the amount teaching staff do on MN

SachaStark · 10/05/2020 19:18

What do we all think of Boris’s statement regarding YR, Y1 and Y6 going back first? And Y10 and Y12 “may” get a few weeks with their teachers before the summer holiday?

It’s the wrong way round, IMO, but interested to hear my teaching colleagues’ point of view.

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Mistressiggi · 10/05/2020 19:21

I am, I think, relived there is an acceptance that it needs to be a phased return.
I would assume each of those classes would be further divided up amongst other staff to make small groups?
And keyworker dc would still be there.

Chicchicchicchiclana · 10/05/2020 19:22

Once again, teachers seeing themselves as an exceptional species.

Why? why, why, why.

Can't you stick to the staffroom like you suggested you would weeks ago?

Teachers have so many perks and privilges over the population as a whole I don't even know where to start.

Backintime4breakfast · 10/05/2020 19:31

why is he hellbent on sending back those least able to SD 1st?

LolaSmiles · 10/05/2020 19:32

Once again, teachers seeing themselves as an exceptional species
Yawn.
Once again someone who lacks the ability for sensible discussion shows up on a thread about schools to insult teachers and make the usual claims that teachers think they're special (even though nobody has actually said that).

We even got a bonus dig at terms and conditions in there too.

Feel free to join the profession if you'd like our terms, conditions and perks.

Daffodil101 · 10/05/2020 19:33

Can’t honestly see why they’d send back YR and Y1.

How does that solve anything?

Appuskidu · 10/05/2020 19:38

If we open to all of our reception and year ones in June, we would have v large class sizes (we are ks1 only so don’t have lots of classrooms to spread out over) so we certainly won’t be able to have every child in every day.

I think people celebrating that their YR/1s will be ‘back’ in 3 weeks, will be very disappointed.

Whitestick · 10/05/2020 20:08

Can't you stick to the staffroom like you suggested you would weeks ago?
I'll ask MNHQ if we can open a special section for ignorant teacher bashers like you.
They might call it Twatzone
HTH

SmileEachDay · 10/05/2020 20:11

I think we need to see the detail tomorrow. There was a lot of “at the earliest” and “might”.

We need to examine the actual policy.

SmileEachDay · 10/05/2020 20:12

Teachers have so many perks and privilges over the population as a whole I don't even know where to start

We’re discussing how to keep quantities of children safe. Buzz off, there’s a love.

HandInHandIsTheOnlyWayToLand · 10/05/2020 20:21

Absolutely brilliant! Thank you 😊

Ginpuss1 · 13/05/2020 11:30

Great post.

SachaStark · 13/05/2020 13:28

Well... How many points do we need to add, do you reckon? It’s all gotten a bit ‘Wickerman’ in the last 24 hours, right?

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LolaSmiles · 13/05/2020 14:59

Sacha
I think the main rule in the last 24 hours is:
'many people are interested in a sensible discussion about the government's plans and the challenges of implementing them, sadly some are so overinvested in complaining about teachers they have nothing to add to the debate so go on the attack'.

Notenoughchocolateomg · 15/05/2020 23:39

Can I just say, as someone who saw how hard a job being a teacher is via seeing my mum do it (she was utterly brilliant at being a teacher btw) I have such huge respect for teachers. My childrens teachers are always being flagged off for something, does my head in. I have a few teacher friends and all are very stressed and anxious. My childrens teachers are doing a fantastic job. You all are.

SachaStark · 15/05/2020 23:59

Cheers very much, @Notenoughchocolateomg, hope you have a great weekend! Wine

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MadamShazam · 16/05/2020 07:54

Love this post. Daffodil so sick of teacher bashing on here!

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