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To think we could just collate all the teacher/teaching related information here, and have done with it?

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SachaStark · 29/04/2020 12:47

Just to save time, shall we just have a thread here, where our teaching colleagues can collate all the answers to the questions about teachers and schools, to save having to repeat the same stuff again and again?

  1. Why aren’t the teachers working?

They are working.

  1. What are the teachers doing all day?

A myriad of things. Including, but not limited to: gathering evidence to get qualification data for Year 11 and Year 13, planning lessons that can be taught remotely, creating resources, marking work, checking on vulnerable children, completing safeguarding referrals, writing school reports, in school minding key worker children, writing new schemes of work and policies for the COVID-19 world, delivering free school meals to students...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers doing online video lessons?

Some are. Most (the correct decision, IMHO) are not doing this, following union guidance. This is due to unsafe platforms, such as Zoom, the inappropriateness of it for some ages/classes, and due to safeguarding reasons.

  1. What safeguarding reasons could there possibly be for not doing online video lessons?

So, so many, sadly. Including, but not limited to: the vulnerability of teachers’ images or voices being used to create online memes (at best) or pornographic material (at worst) by downloading and manipulating the clips, protections of both staff and students who may be hiding from dangerous individuals known to them, the possibility that abuse may happen live online in front of other children, the possibility that some children may appear on camera either undressed or performing indecent acts...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers in school actually teaching the key worker children?

We’ve been told not to teach key worker children in school, we are only child minders at present. This is due to the possibility of unfairness if we are teaching some children and not others, and also because it is impossible to plan for and execute when you are trying to maintain social distancing, and also have no idea what year groups you will have in each day.

  1. What’s happening with the school curriculum?

It’s been suspended.

  1. When are the schools going back?

Literally, NONE OF US KNOW. It doesn’t matter what your school has said or not said, or what your neighbour’s Aunt Gertrude has said. None of us know anything about when the schools are going back.

  1. Why can’t they summer holidays be cancelled, and the kids go back to school then?

Because the teachers and students are technically working right now. The children will need their summer holidays, and the staff will need them, too.

  1. But other industries have had their holidays cancelled, so why can’t teachers have theirs cancelled?

It’s more complicated than it is in other industries. Teachers aren’t paid for their holidays, and they also can’t take them as time off at a later date. The government would have to pay six weeks’ extra pay to all teachers, which I don’t reckon they’ve got the spare cash to do.

  1. Why can’t teachers just work it unpaid?

Because we are not bloody saints, and we aren’t very well paid in the first place.

  1. Why are the teachers still receiving a full salary?

Because they’re still working full-time, see above, points 1 and 2.

  1. But why isn’t MY child’s teacher doing X, Y or Z?

We have absolutely no idea. Why don’t you contact the school in question? Maybe they are, and you haven’t seen it yet? Maybe they’re not, and they’ve actually absconded to Hawaii? Maybe they’re just drinking gin all day? Who can tell, I certainly can’t...

  1. What are the daffodils on posts about teachers/teaching for?

It was decided in a thread on The Staffroom that it would be far more productive to give each other flowers on threads clearly guilty of teacher bashing, since many people’s mental health and well-being is at a real low at the moment, and many hard-working teachers are genuinely upset by these posts.

  1. Is it really teacher bashing, though? I’m so bored of hearing this.

It is, because these threads generally rely on generalisations regarding an entire profession, and are simply an excuse to “have a go”, rather than doing the more productive thing and contacting their child’s school.

  1. But don’t teachers think they have the hardest job in the world? They’re always moaning and being so defensive!

Literally none of us have ever said that we have the hardest job in the world. I don’t know who does. NHS staff at the moment, for sure. Other key workers still having to carry on in difficult conditions, absolutely. But we definitely are facing some very difficult tasks in our jobs right now, that we’ve had no time to prepare for, in an unprecedented situation. Exactly the same as most other lines of work are having to do. And we have to defend ourselves, because SOME posters on here do love a pile-on when it comes to teaching.

  1. Would you like a glass of wine?

Fuck yes, most of the time, actually. Care to join me?

Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil Daffodil

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HerLadySheep · 16/05/2020 10:12

Fabulous thread!!
I'm not a teacher just an appreciative parent.

Our school sent out awards recently to children who had done well with homeschooling, recognising that it's not easy.
One Mum on our parents FB page contacted the school to complain that it wasn't fair to the children who were not doing the work set! How on earth do some people's minds work!

Thank you, enjoy the🍷 and 💐

SachaStark · 16/05/2020 10:15

Thanks so much, @HerLadySheep, Wine and Flowers to you, too!

Also, thanks for everything you’re doing to support your child/ren during this completely unprecedented time in education. We know it isn’t easy.

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echt · 16/05/2020 10:17

Thanks for reviving this invaluable thread, in particular the OP's OP.

Tip-top, SachaStark

JingleCatJingle · 16/05/2020 15:32

My child’s school surveyed the children about the level of work. Unsurprisingly the children said they had too much work. They are now getting ‘study weeks’ and will have work set only one week out of two.

I bet my boss would adore it if I told him I was only going to work 1 week out of 2.

SachaStark · 16/05/2020 17:45

Unsure what your point is, Jingle?

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JingleCatJingle · 16/05/2020 18:02

I’m more than a bit peeved with the unfairness of it and having a bit a bitch @SachaStark. In 6 weeks I will get to see lots of lovely posts from my teacher friends and relatives enjoying quality time with their children (which is great).
But it will be relentless for my family and others.
Being told that the school is now going to do even less to support the kids in the last 6 weeks of term did not fill me with joy.

SachaStark · 16/05/2020 18:06

I don’t see why you didn’t just tell your child to answer the survey that they thought the work amount was just fine/too little, then?

Or, when the survey result came out as such, you could have just emailed and asked for some extra extension pieces for your kid?

Or if the school really couldn’t do that, you could go online yourself and ask for some extra resources to be recommended to you on here?

All more proactive than “having a bit of a bitch”.

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Ethelfleda · 16/05/2020 18:11

Great first post. I hadn’t seen it before. Not a teacher and DS is of nursery age.
I found it very comprehensive and has helped me understand all this from your point of view.

JingleCatJingle · 16/05/2020 18:12

The school didn’t tell me they were surveying the children and what teenage child is not going to say that they have too much schoolwork?

I have extra resources coming out of my ears, but now in addition to my day job and planning activities for my 11 year old (whose school gave up 2 weeks ago) I now need to plan for my older child’s education during the day as well.
Super.
So yes, I need to have a bitch about it before I start all the marvellous planning.

JingleCatJingle · 16/05/2020 18:18

I will add that I do respect teachers, I know their jobs are hard and I do not begrudge them their summer holidays. They are all well earned.

A little bit of empathy towards parents wfh would be nice.

LolaSmiles · 16/05/2020 18:24

jingle has a fair point, not many secondary students were going to give any other response.
We've reduced ours down to support parents as we surveyed parents on our provision so there's a minimum standards expected for all and then signposting to extra material and online resources for those who want it. It seems to be working well.

SeasonFinale · 16/05/2020 18:35

The only amendment I would make tonthe original post is an extra final point saying your school may doing all, some or none of the above. If you have a query ask them not randoms on the internet.

Teachers can only do what is asked of them by their schools and everyone I know is doing a good job of what they have been asked to do.

B0bbin · 16/05/2020 18:47

Thanks for this threadFlowersWine

SachaStark · 16/05/2020 19:18

To be fair, Jingle didn’t mention the age of her child when she first posted, and from the way she spoke, I had assumed they were much younger!

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OverTheRainbowLiesOz · 16/05/2020 23:47

Great thread. Fully support teachers. Not impressed by teacher bashing.

Daffodil101 · 17/05/2020 01:06

What is ‘teacher bashing?’

I haven’t seen a single thread bashing the teaching profession. I’ve seen lots of threads where parents (on a parenting website) discuss their worries about their schools’ lack of engagement. That’s then called ‘teacher bashing.’

MissTheodore · 17/05/2020 09:43

But @Daffodil101, people start the threads with “my school is not providing work” and quickly move on in the same paragraph to “what the hell are teachers Doing all day?” Or “why are teachers still getting paid?”

This generalisation is teacher bashing. Why accuse all teachers of laziness because you’re unhappy with your individual school?

See point 12 on the first post of this thread.

Daffodil101 · 17/05/2020 10:02

Yeah fair enough, you’re right

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