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To think we could just collate all the teacher/teaching related information here, and have done with it?

343 replies

SachaStark · 29/04/2020 12:47

Just to save time, shall we just have a thread here, where our teaching colleagues can collate all the answers to the questions about teachers and schools, to save having to repeat the same stuff again and again?

  1. Why aren’t the teachers working?

They are working.

  1. What are the teachers doing all day?

A myriad of things. Including, but not limited to: gathering evidence to get qualification data for Year 11 and Year 13, planning lessons that can be taught remotely, creating resources, marking work, checking on vulnerable children, completing safeguarding referrals, writing school reports, in school minding key worker children, writing new schemes of work and policies for the COVID-19 world, delivering free school meals to students...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers doing online video lessons?

Some are. Most (the correct decision, IMHO) are not doing this, following union guidance. This is due to unsafe platforms, such as Zoom, the inappropriateness of it for some ages/classes, and due to safeguarding reasons.

  1. What safeguarding reasons could there possibly be for not doing online video lessons?

So, so many, sadly. Including, but not limited to: the vulnerability of teachers’ images or voices being used to create online memes (at best) or pornographic material (at worst) by downloading and manipulating the clips, protections of both staff and students who may be hiding from dangerous individuals known to them, the possibility that abuse may happen live online in front of other children, the possibility that some children may appear on camera either undressed or performing indecent acts...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers in school actually teaching the key worker children?

We’ve been told not to teach key worker children in school, we are only child minders at present. This is due to the possibility of unfairness if we are teaching some children and not others, and also because it is impossible to plan for and execute when you are trying to maintain social distancing, and also have no idea what year groups you will have in each day.

  1. What’s happening with the school curriculum?

It’s been suspended.

  1. When are the schools going back?

Literally, NONE OF US KNOW. It doesn’t matter what your school has said or not said, or what your neighbour’s Aunt Gertrude has said. None of us know anything about when the schools are going back.

  1. Why can’t they summer holidays be cancelled, and the kids go back to school then?

Because the teachers and students are technically working right now. The children will need their summer holidays, and the staff will need them, too.

  1. But other industries have had their holidays cancelled, so why can’t teachers have theirs cancelled?

It’s more complicated than it is in other industries. Teachers aren’t paid for their holidays, and they also can’t take them as time off at a later date. The government would have to pay six weeks’ extra pay to all teachers, which I don’t reckon they’ve got the spare cash to do.

  1. Why can’t teachers just work it unpaid?

Because we are not bloody saints, and we aren’t very well paid in the first place.

  1. Why are the teachers still receiving a full salary?

Because they’re still working full-time, see above, points 1 and 2.

  1. But why isn’t MY child’s teacher doing X, Y or Z?

We have absolutely no idea. Why don’t you contact the school in question? Maybe they are, and you haven’t seen it yet? Maybe they’re not, and they’ve actually absconded to Hawaii? Maybe they’re just drinking gin all day? Who can tell, I certainly can’t...

  1. What are the daffodils on posts about teachers/teaching for?

It was decided in a thread on The Staffroom that it would be far more productive to give each other flowers on threads clearly guilty of teacher bashing, since many people’s mental health and well-being is at a real low at the moment, and many hard-working teachers are genuinely upset by these posts.

  1. Is it really teacher bashing, though? I’m so bored of hearing this.

It is, because these threads generally rely on generalisations regarding an entire profession, and are simply an excuse to “have a go”, rather than doing the more productive thing and contacting their child’s school.

  1. But don’t teachers think they have the hardest job in the world? They’re always moaning and being so defensive!

Literally none of us have ever said that we have the hardest job in the world. I don’t know who does. NHS staff at the moment, for sure. Other key workers still having to carry on in difficult conditions, absolutely. But we definitely are facing some very difficult tasks in our jobs right now, that we’ve had no time to prepare for, in an unprecedented situation. Exactly the same as most other lines of work are having to do. And we have to defend ourselves, because SOME posters on here do love a pile-on when it comes to teaching.

  1. Would you like a glass of wine?

Fuck yes, most of the time, actually. Care to join me?

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OP posts:
Chewbacca1111 · 29/04/2020 16:38

My son is 17, I really don’t think he’d appreciate me reading to him.

Ah, so he’s a young adult then.

MissMarks · 29/04/2020 16:38

Thank you snuggles- that is reassuring

Chewbacca1111 · 29/04/2020 16:39

But what about everyone else that is just having to get on with it?? My own husband is a key worker working front line and exposed to germs. He is in management and they have done all they can to minimise risk but needs must.

My husband is a Doctor so I can appreciate the worry. However even he says it’s a bad idea to let the schools back until we have this under some kind of control.

WhyNotMe40 · 29/04/2020 16:40

I'll admit it - I'm a teacher who is not working much. However I only work 2 days a week normally and I'm not a tutor so when the work has been proportioned out I only have a small amount. I think over the week I'm probably working 10 hours when I normally do 20 - all I'm doing is setting work for the week for the classes I've been allocated to monitor, feeding back on previous work done, and replying to any emails students send me - and they've been very few. We have been instructed NOT to do videos or zoom because of the reasons in the OP, however I have linked to videos available on Oak National Academy where appropriate.
I have been making more resources for next year, and I probably could do more of that, but to be honest I'm too busy facilitating my own kids home learning, facilitating the main wage earner in keeping his job (threat of redundancies) and coping with my (diagnosed) OCD and anxiety, worrying about my COPD mother and FIL with terminal cancer, who is obviously not currently recieving treatment.
I hope that's ok to everyone.

MissMarks · 29/04/2020 16:41

I agree that they shouldn’t go back before the time is right- but equally it shouldn’t de unnecessarily delayed.

24balloons · 29/04/2020 16:41

Exactly, I don’t think it’s smart to post on the school website that there will be no teaching, then have an open Twitter account about what you’re up to and I really don’t think teacher’s should be messaging students (which parents can see in SMHomework) saying they’re bored etc
Also every single child in the school has an iPad so I don’t know why some sort of lessons were never even a consideration?

Chewbacca1111 · 29/04/2020 16:42

Would you say the same if medical staff walked out of hospitals? Their risk is much much larger.

Honestly the way they have been treated by the gov I wouldn’t blame them.

GinWithASplashOfTonic · 29/04/2020 16:43

Absolutely 100% agree and love your arguments too

HandfulofDust · 29/04/2020 16:43

To be fair my school did video lessons and I think it was unnecessarily time consuming for the teachers and just done to justify to parents that the teachers are busy. This is primary school so the lessons are all very standard and they could have linked to professional videos already made on these topics (adding fractions etc).

Everytimeref · 29/04/2020 16:44

Brilliant post OP. Sums it up nicely.

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Tanith · 29/04/2020 16:47

YOU ARE NOT BLOODY CHILDMINDING!!

HOW many more times must we say this? You had it repeatedly pointed out on the last thread how insulting it is to read that you’re “only childminding” and STILL you say it!

WhyNotMe40 · 29/04/2020 16:49

I think though when medical staff sign up for their jobs they accept that they will be working with poorly people. It's a given.
Teachers don't. It's not an accepted part of our job. I did not sign up to be exposed any more than everyone else. And the thing is that teachers will be massively more exposed on a risk basis then most people other than healthcare workers (who should have PPE anyway).
As a teacher I am shut in a small airless room for hours at a time with uo to 250 people a week.
Shopworkers and other staff now have plastic screens, big air conditioned rooms, brief exposure to individuals and managed exposure.
Teachers will have none of that. Kids are mucky. They chew pencils, swap water bottles, don't wash their hands (even if there were enough sinks anyway) and in the last week we're coughing on each other and staff ON Purpose.
If I could teach with everyone in PPE at 2m distance, extractor fans, and a plastic screen, door handle washing, and a one in one out policy in the narrow corridors then there wouldn't be a problem. But that's not possible is it?

ilovesooty · 29/04/2020 16:50

Great OP.

OneJumpAhead · 29/04/2020 16:50

It seems there is a broad spectrum. Lots of teachers doing difficult days and working hard as OP says. I have several teacher friends who happily admit that they are barely doing (or expected to do) any work at all at the moment.

CutCopyPastedLikeYou · 29/04/2020 16:53

My teacher niece has so little to do, she's volunteering for the NHS to fill her time. She has lots of teacher friends in exactly the same boat.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 29/04/2020 16:54

I think part of the problem is the lack of parity in what is being provided, so parents know that what education and support their child is currently receiving is something of a lottery. So take point 6, for example, stating that the school curriculum has been suspended - well, there are schools that are continuing to deliver lessons and teach new content this term with the very clear aim that in September, pupils will be more or less where they would have been in relation to their courses had this term been as normal. For the many reasons already given, this is not happening in all schools, so parents are understandably anxious. But all you can do is liaise with your own child's school to find out what they are doing and what support they can offer.

camsie · 29/04/2020 16:55

Excellent post, OP! Halo

cheesecurdsandgravy · 29/04/2020 16:59

OP. I think I love you.

mnahmnah · 29/04/2020 17:00

Thank you OP Star

BigcatLittlecat · 29/04/2020 17:01

Thank you for your brilliant post! I'm feeling very overwhelmed with it all at the moment! For various reasons which I won't bore you with but have been mentioned up thread! All the teachers I work with are being absolutely amazing at the moment! Will say cheers to you around 7!

MyTwoLeftFeet · 29/04/2020 17:02

I think though when medical staff sign up for their jobs they accept that they will be working with poorly people. It's a given.

No. They don't accept that they'll have a huge viral load which puts their health at risk. That's never happened before. I don't think we should encourage a race to the bottom but you can't just dismiss the safety of healthcare professionals so easy. That's like saying 'well teachers expect to deal with difficult kids so who cares if they're victims of violence'. It's unacceptable.

LolaSmiles · 29/04/2020 17:02

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross
The problem is people voted for a political agenda that carved up state education and has made the national curriculum optional to most schools. Add into this that many people only know their bubble, which is typically people like them.

There's some woefully misinformed comments on disadvantaged students on here at the moment, evidently from parents of non-disadvantaged students who want school to do things their way, which would probably mean disadvantaged students are further left behind.

WhyNotMe40 · 29/04/2020 17:05

No. They don't accept that they'll have a huge viral load which puts their health at risk. That's never happened before. I don't think we should encourage a race to the bottom but you can't just dismiss the safety of healthcare professionals so easy. That's like saying 'well teachers expect to deal with difficult kids so who cares if they're victims of violence'. It's unacceptable.

I didn't say that. I said they expect to be working with poorly people. I also said they should have PPE. How can you argue against that?

Stygimoloch · 29/04/2020 17:07

Brilliant thread Daffodil thank you for posting it!

I agree 100%.

WhyNotMe40 · 29/04/2020 17:07

The race to the bottom is saying well healthcare workers are working without PPE and precautions - so should teachers. THAT is the race to the bottom