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To think we could just collate all the teacher/teaching related information here, and have done with it?

343 replies

SachaStark · 29/04/2020 12:47

Just to save time, shall we just have a thread here, where our teaching colleagues can collate all the answers to the questions about teachers and schools, to save having to repeat the same stuff again and again?

  1. Why aren’t the teachers working?

They are working.

  1. What are the teachers doing all day?

A myriad of things. Including, but not limited to: gathering evidence to get qualification data for Year 11 and Year 13, planning lessons that can be taught remotely, creating resources, marking work, checking on vulnerable children, completing safeguarding referrals, writing school reports, in school minding key worker children, writing new schemes of work and policies for the COVID-19 world, delivering free school meals to students...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers doing online video lessons?

Some are. Most (the correct decision, IMHO) are not doing this, following union guidance. This is due to unsafe platforms, such as Zoom, the inappropriateness of it for some ages/classes, and due to safeguarding reasons.

  1. What safeguarding reasons could there possibly be for not doing online video lessons?

So, so many, sadly. Including, but not limited to: the vulnerability of teachers’ images or voices being used to create online memes (at best) or pornographic material (at worst) by downloading and manipulating the clips, protections of both staff and students who may be hiding from dangerous individuals known to them, the possibility that abuse may happen live online in front of other children, the possibility that some children may appear on camera either undressed or performing indecent acts...

  1. Why aren’t the teachers in school actually teaching the key worker children?

We’ve been told not to teach key worker children in school, we are only child minders at present. This is due to the possibility of unfairness if we are teaching some children and not others, and also because it is impossible to plan for and execute when you are trying to maintain social distancing, and also have no idea what year groups you will have in each day.

  1. What’s happening with the school curriculum?

It’s been suspended.

  1. When are the schools going back?

Literally, NONE OF US KNOW. It doesn’t matter what your school has said or not said, or what your neighbour’s Aunt Gertrude has said. None of us know anything about when the schools are going back.

  1. Why can’t they summer holidays be cancelled, and the kids go back to school then?

Because the teachers and students are technically working right now. The children will need their summer holidays, and the staff will need them, too.

  1. But other industries have had their holidays cancelled, so why can’t teachers have theirs cancelled?

It’s more complicated than it is in other industries. Teachers aren’t paid for their holidays, and they also can’t take them as time off at a later date. The government would have to pay six weeks’ extra pay to all teachers, which I don’t reckon they’ve got the spare cash to do.

  1. Why can’t teachers just work it unpaid?

Because we are not bloody saints, and we aren’t very well paid in the first place.

  1. Why are the teachers still receiving a full salary?

Because they’re still working full-time, see above, points 1 and 2.

  1. But why isn’t MY child’s teacher doing X, Y or Z?

We have absolutely no idea. Why don’t you contact the school in question? Maybe they are, and you haven’t seen it yet? Maybe they’re not, and they’ve actually absconded to Hawaii? Maybe they’re just drinking gin all day? Who can tell, I certainly can’t...

  1. What are the daffodils on posts about teachers/teaching for?

It was decided in a thread on The Staffroom that it would be far more productive to give each other flowers on threads clearly guilty of teacher bashing, since many people’s mental health and well-being is at a real low at the moment, and many hard-working teachers are genuinely upset by these posts.

  1. Is it really teacher bashing, though? I’m so bored of hearing this.

It is, because these threads generally rely on generalisations regarding an entire profession, and are simply an excuse to “have a go”, rather than doing the more productive thing and contacting their child’s school.

  1. But don’t teachers think they have the hardest job in the world? They’re always moaning and being so defensive!

Literally none of us have ever said that we have the hardest job in the world. I don’t know who does. NHS staff at the moment, for sure. Other key workers still having to carry on in difficult conditions, absolutely. But we definitely are facing some very difficult tasks in our jobs right now, that we’ve had no time to prepare for, in an unprecedented situation. Exactly the same as most other lines of work are having to do. And we have to defend ourselves, because SOME posters on here do love a pile-on when it comes to teaching.

  1. Would you like a glass of wine?

Fuck yes, most of the time, actually. Care to join me?

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OP posts:
FrippEnos · 29/04/2020 22:19

Hadenoughfornow

I am working from home through necessity not choice.

If my work requires me to have the ability to stream content from my house then they should pay no only for an increase in broadband that I do not require

And for any equipment that they want me to use such as a webcam that I would not have and have no other use for.

Why should my school pay for my utilities it is a strange thing to say.

Besides the government has just given MPs £10K for home office expenses as there staff have to work from home.

MissMarks · 29/04/2020 22:21

Slightly bemused at comments about being unable to use zoom due to safeguarding issues. My children’s school is doing them- kids love them and parents have the choice not to have their children take part. Surely it is about using common sense. Seems like a cop out to be honest.

FrippEnos · 29/04/2020 22:22

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Hadenoughfornow · 29/04/2020 22:23

Fripp when I started working from home I upgraded my broadband. So I paid more every month.

I do use more electricity, water working from home.

I do say on commuting costs but they were neglible before I started working from home.

I do not have to use any of my own equipment.

I just think in these trying times that saying you are not going to do something because you aren't getting your broadband paid is strange.

nobodyimportant · 29/04/2020 22:23

But as the children get used to Zook they behave

Even the ones you don't know from other schools who are crashing in?

FrippEnos · 29/04/2020 22:24

MissMarks
Slightly bemused at comments about being unable to use zoom due to safeguarding issues.

Seems like a cop out to be honest.

Feel free to take it up with the unions and heads of schools.

Chewbacca1111 · 29/04/2020 22:26

Fripp 😁😁

FrippEnos · 29/04/2020 22:28

Hadenoughfornow

Seems strange to me that you would want to force someone to do something and then require them to pay for it.

You working from home has been your choice.
You have said so, part of that choice is the increase in costs.

And after all of this is over you will still be working from home.

After all this is over, I will be stuck with a broadband contract that I don't want or need and equipment that I have no use for.

MissMarks · 29/04/2020 22:28

My children’s school is using zoom. They are the top rated school in the uk country I live in and have won Sunday Times school of the year several times, and are consistently top rated in league tables. I am sure they wouldn’t make the decision to use zoom if it wasn’t allowed. Wink

Mistressiggi · 29/04/2020 22:29

What happens to the children of the parents who choose not to take part in the zoom lessons? Won't they fall behind? That doesn't seem very fair, when they may have had very genuine safeguarding or privacy reasons not to do it (never mind not having the right tech)

Chewbacca1111 · 29/04/2020 22:29

Seems like a cop out to be honest.

Why don’t you do YouTube videos to help out kids at school? Then when some creep or weirdo decides to use your image for unsavoury purposes you can come on here and tell us how wrong we all are.

noblegiraffe · 29/04/2020 22:30

Singapore was using Zoom in schools and has now banned it after serious safeguarding incidents.

Just because you can’t imagine there being a problem it doesn’t mean that there isn’t one.

FrippEnos · 29/04/2020 22:30

MissMarks

Different countries have different rules and different levels of safety.
But that would be a thread all of its own.

babysharktooth · 29/04/2020 22:31
Daffodil
Mistressiggi · 29/04/2020 22:32

That's a private school though Missmarks isn't it?

Whatsername177 · 29/04/2020 22:34

This is the best thread I have ever read. Thank you. Wine

MissMarks · 29/04/2020 22:34

It isn’t YouTube though. It is zoom conferencing to a closed group. university’s have been doing video conferencing for years and don’t seem to have an issue. It is about balancing risk and using flipping common sense. GPs are doing zoom appointments as are social workers, counsellors etc. Obviously it isn’t ideal but people need to adapt.

Flightsoffancy · 29/04/2020 22:34

Thank you, great post. I'm a teacher and I'm working flat out, going in on a rota for key workers children and looking after my own three year old. I'm happy with all of that (most of the time) but it makes a huge difference when people are kind, sensitive and appreciative. Daffodil

MissMarks · 29/04/2020 22:34

Not private for secondary.

Chewbacca1111 · 29/04/2020 22:35

Hang on, wasn’t there a really smug annoying member whose kid went to private school yet she constantly bashed non private schools?

MissMarks · 29/04/2020 22:35

And I have friends with children in state primary’s whose teachers are also doing zoom calls.

Gazelda · 29/04/2020 22:35

I was speaking with some teachers earlier this week.

I've always admired the profession, and tried to acknowledge the impact they've made on my DD at the end of term, year, parents evening etc.

But lately, my admiration has risen even further.

Every single teacher, head, TA, caretaker, office staff, lunch time assistant, crossing patrol person that I've ever come across has been supportive of the children they work with. They've inspired, cared, laughed, nurtured, guided, listened and shown pride in the children under their care.

And they continue to do so during lockdown. They've been creative, flexible, responsive and provided consistency for the children.

Heads I know lead with integrity, concern for their team's wellbeing, work tirelessly to satisfy parents' expectations and those of the government and regulator while filling in endless bloody forms and audits. They've run breakfast clubs and after school,clubs when the usual teams are unavailable. They've provided an open school during the school hols.

Some of the most vulnerable children in society know that they can come to school and be welcomed.

I wanted to email those teachers I was speaking with the other day, to express my admiration and appreciation. But I didn't in case it came across as patronising. But I think I'll send that email now, after reading this thread.

MissMarks · 29/04/2020 22:36

Not me. Why would I bash state schools. Please feel free to search my history if you are so inclined.

Mistressiggi · 29/04/2020 22:37

That's very thoughtful Gazelda.

nobodyimportant · 29/04/2020 22:37

My children’s school is using zoom. They are the top rated school in the uk country I live in and have won Sunday Times school of the year several times, and are consistently top rated in league tables. I am sure they wouldn’t make the decision to use zoom if it wasn’t allowed.

You clearly have very privileged children who go to a school full of also privileged children. A substantial number of children at my school would not be able to access it thus widening the gap even further between the haves and the have nots.