Healthy people why are you so scared of catching covid 19?

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Serious question. I’m interested in why healthy people with no underlying problems are so unhappy about starting to get back to normal. I’m not talking about shielded people who need to stay shielded. But everyone else.

Has anybody watched that TV programme that has just been on of five ordinary families that caught covid 19? One older woman died.
But what was more shocking was the couple of people who were not hospitalised, but were pretty ill. I do not want to risk that.

I watched. It made me realise I must be quite a baby when I'm ill.

They were up and dressed and even walking a dog at one point. I just kept thinking - go to fucking bed!

Why that guy ran up and down his garden with a virus that causes respiratory issues I can't fathom.

If I do catch it I'll be taking to my bed until it's over one way or the other!

149 under 40s have died in the UK so far out of 200k positive tests (actual figure of positive cases likely to be so much more). But even if we just do 149/200,000 x 100 to get a percentage it is vanishingly small. So many people saying 0.5% and 0.2% of under forties here, which is wrong.

I'm not worried about catching it myself.

I am following lockdown rules because I don't want to spread though. That's the whole point isn't it?

Because they're all believing everything in the press about how we're all going to die if we don't do exactly what we're told. It's time to use common sense and stop bloody panicking.

I'm a teacher in Australia and might be back in the classroom after 11th May. I'm 65, so maybe not.

I'm concerned about the damage to organs that is emerging as a possible long-term consequence of Covid-19.

149 under 40s have died in the UK so far out of 200k positive tests (actual figure of positive cases likely to be so much more). But even if we just do 149/200,000 x 100 to get a percentage it is vanishingly small. So many people saying 0.5% and 0.2% of under forties here, which is wrong.

That's an incorrect way of working out the rate because we have a large number of ongoing cases who have neither died nor recovered.

Also you are comparing 149 cases of under 40s with how many confirmed cases under 40? Most of the 200,000 won't be in the pool you should be comparing to.

In addition, you can't pool the under 40s together because we know 20s and under have an even lower rate.

Experts estimate 0.2-0.3% for people in their 30s and 40s. This is done using the correct data.

Think I’ve had it in the last 3 weeks (32, single parent no underlying heath issues- touch overweight).

Was horribly worried because you know, if I’d been ill enough for hospital, all of my family are shielding for various reasons- no idea who would have had DS.

In the end, if it was Covid (I’m fairly sure it was) I was very lucky. 2 weeks of illness- first week was brain fog, headaches, sore eyes and an upset stomach- all mild enough that I continued to WFH (albeit very slowly).

Cough just starting to ease up now- has been very rattly and made me incredibly dizzy/lightheaded.

I know a dozen people who have had (medically diagnosed) suspected Covid or been positive swabbed and all of them have only been as ill as I was or less so.

I hope that’s reassuring for anyone panicking- it’s really not a death sentence for most of us.

The more I hear about it the more I want to avoid catching it. I'm an NHS frontline Key worker. Hearing about supposedly healthy staff in their 30s who have died leaving young children is frightening.

We do not yet know the long term effects of the virus. If you survive it you may be hit by late effects like post viral fatigue, long term lung damage, weird neurological side effects like Guillian Barre syndrome etc it's all unknown.

Obviously everyone's risk appetite will be different.

Those that have hated lockdown, are struggling to pay bills or whatever may see 1 in 400-500 chance of dying this year as a risk worth taking.

Those of us who have enjoyed lockdown probably won't.

That's why you can't really disagree with someone else's view of whether they are worried about it or not - it depends on other factors personal to them that they are balancing against the risk.

Either way though it's useful to know the correct risk figures and make an informed choice.

@wheresmymojo the lancet largest peer reviewed study has it between 0.1 and 0.08. Stop trying to scare people.

And that includes those under 40e that are shielded.

I have witness healthy young people with mild symptoms

The mild symptoms would at any other time have you admitted to hospital

I do not wish my ds to see me struggling to breath and being so ill I can’t look after him

We need to look how other countries are managing some restrictions need to be kept in place

Gil55 You make it sound like we are all sheeple. I don't believe everybody thinks they are going to die nor is the media telling us that low risk individuals will die. We are worried about passing it on simple as. What better common sense is there than to wash hands, socially distance and adhere to lock down or do you know better ?

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Just off to bed but will happily link to reference sources tomorrow

Surely most of us try and avoid catching lots of illnesses that we know are unlikely to kill us? Even things that are just annoying like lice I actively try not to catch. That is normal.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076042v1.full.pdf

Is a study on those hospitalised

Because my child and both my parents need me

Because I've witnessed locally a "healthy" headteacher, council worker and 2 others known closely to me pass away- also with no conditions

Because my SEND child falls into the autism/learning disabilities category which god forbid should they need emergency care has potentially unthinkable consequences

Because I'd like to be able to support my best friend who lives 5 minutes away but has a mother in her 70's with a recent cancer diagnosis

Because I have zero faith in this government and therefore what chances I may have of surviving or how if I failed to make it through his my DP would cope raiding our child

Because I watch the news every day and it's simply terrifying what is unravelling before our very eyes daily whilst being told the equivalent of fuck all?

@wheresmymojo sorry but where are you pulling that figure from. 1 in 400 under 40’s with no health conditions will die of covid in the next year?!? Since when? Says who?

The study I just linked of UK patients states

The median age of those who died in hospital from COVID-19 in the UK was 80 years, and only 12% of these patients had no documented comorbidity.

and

Those who have poor outcomes are more often elderly, male and obese.

^www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076042v1.full.pdf^

Is a study on those hospitalised

And this is a summary / press release of that study

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-warning-as-major-study-finds-most-elderly-victims-would-not-have-died-otherwise-11980675
Coronavirus: Warning as major study claims most elderly victims 'would not have died otherwise'
Coronavirus is "proving a much more complex disease than we initially thought", scientists behind research say.

A leading scientist has warned Britons to heed the lockdown because "COVID-19 is as dangerous as Ebola" - as a study found most elderly people killed by the disease would not have died otherwise.

Professor Calum Semple, who is leading the largest study of coronavirus patients in the UK, said it showed more than a third of those who had been admitted to hospital had died.

"That's the same for those admitted to hospital with Ebola," he told a virtual news conference.

Ok, so not like a car crash.

Death rates were high among elderly patients, and most of those who did not survive were admitted to hospital with symptoms of COVID-19 and "would not have died otherwise"
Of the 6,628 patients who required hospital stays of 14 days or more, the study shows half (49%) have been discharged, with a further 17% still being treated. 33% died.
Pregnant women are not at an increased risk of death
Obesity is associated with mortality, even after adjusting for other health conditions

BMI of over 30, but otherwise healthy with no known health condition? This study suggests you perhaps should be more worried.

"Fat cells secrete chemicals that increase the inflammatory state in the body," he said.

"If you are a big person you are also more likely to have had a tough childhood and a tough life, brought up in an environment where you are exposed to multiple deprivations.

"Together they make it a very tough ride for these people when they catch COVID-19."

Elllicam Wed 29-Apr-20 12:27:50
I’ve had it, I’m a healthy, vegetarian, on the lower end of a healthy BMI, under 40, eat well, don’t smoke, barely drink. I was floored for the best part of 6 weeks. Couldn’t breathe, a lot of chest pain, I spent two weeks in bed, loads of gastric symptoms. It’s the worst illness I’ve ever had in my life.

^^ This ^ and the risk to my parents and others.

@Quartz2208 So half the people who died were under 80? I wonder why you chose the median point, does that type of average throw up a higher age than more usual types of averages used?

@redtoothbrush

Its the same study and in it it says as I quoted that 12% of those who died had no comorbidity

as I said on the other thread I see would not have died otherwise not as they were healthy and had a long life ahead just that they were not before coronavirus in immediate risk

@cantory I didnt it is in the study. Its not my choice.

Yes 50% of those who died are over 80
50% are under 80.

Its not an average though that is mean. Its the

Median age is the age that divides a population into two numerically equally sized groups - that is, half the people are younger than this age and half are older. It is a single index that summarizes the age distribution of a population.