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To wonder why teachers are not teaching my child?

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Nickynackienoo · 29/04/2020 10:18

I am a nurse redeployed to itu. Doing 13 hour days and stressed up to the eyeballs at the moment. My children (12 and 8) go to school on my work days and on my days off i keep them at home with me according to the government guidance. As far as I can tell, the teachers at school are just childminding and not teaching anything. How is it that they can have just 4 kids in the school and not manage to get them to do at least some work? How can I possibly do the job of a teacher on my days off? They have send so many links via email that I can’t make sense of, it’s so overly complicated. Surely as key workers they should be doing the job they are being paid to do? I must be missing something, can someone fill me in?

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GreytExpectations · 29/04/2020 17:25

You're saying that because your support might be slightly more helpful than parental support you'd rather they had no support at all and were prevented from accessing the education their peers are getting? And you think people are entitled for objecting to that?

Not what I'm saying. The OP wanted her kids to actually be taught lessons. I was merely pointing out they are already likly to get specialist support so any additional would be even more advantage and not fair. Also why are you insinuating I'm a teacher?

Aesopfable · 29/04/2020 17:27

You do realise working parents even from home

You do realise nurses and doctors working in ICU are putting themselves at risk on our behalf?

GreytExpectations · 29/04/2020 17:27

You can argue that till your blue in the face but no one is going to take it seriously because it's clearly barmy.

Funny that you aren't capable of hearing someone's point of view out just because they disagree with you. You just jump to insults, very mature. I have clarified for you but I suspect you will miscomprehend that too.

MyTwoLeftFeet · 29/04/2020 17:27

@GreytExpectations there are people whose children haven't even been allowed to access the home learning zoom lessons and aren't being given the most basic support i.e. a place to sit help to get the worksheets up etc. One on one tutoring all day is never going to happen but a bit of help is a basic minimum.

TillyFloss10 · 29/04/2020 17:29

I'm not sure if this has been said already but as someone who works in a school (not as a teacher) I can say that all the children who come in are put into one group regardless of year group or ability and the all the staff are on a rota, including non teaching staff. This means that one day there may not be teachers in on the rota to be in school. When I am on the rota to be in the building I will not be providing any teaching I do not have the qualifications.

But the children in school do have time to do the online learning that is available and I would probably be able to support them a little bit in this.

Whatsername177 · 29/04/2020 17:31

Fair enough - I have no experience of hubs. Our school is open for the 4-8 key worker children who use it. It seems ridiculous to me that children are actively discouraged from doing their school work during school hours. There is a problem with that establishment that seriously needs looking at, because that isnt how most schools are doing it.

With regards to 'slipping into teacher mode'....the work is set by a teacher, the instructions are written down for the pupil. Unless I choose to scrap the lesson and do something completely different, there is no chance I will slip into teaching. The instructions for the task are set - I will just explain them.
The keyworkers kids at my school did get some 'advantages' during the Easter holidays. Every member of staff planned a 2 hour fun activity to try and compensate for the fact they had to be in school. (Our vulnerable kids have been invited in and offered free transport but we haven't had many come in). So the kids got some extra chocolate and I did some silly science with them (the mentos challenge). They did some gardening too. They had to be in school, but we couldn't 'educate' them as it would be unfair to other pupils, so we made it fun.

GreytExpectations · 29/04/2020 17:31

You do realise nurses and doctors working in ICU are putting themselves at risk on our behalf?

Oh ffs. Of course, we all know that. We all hear it mentioned time and time again. Obviously there are important and are doing a dangerous job. But what exactly does that have to do with my point? Please do explain.

Aesopfable · 29/04/2020 17:32

Remembering of course that, at least in Scotland, the councils still have a legal duty to provide adequate education.

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 29/04/2020 17:32

We have three kids maximum in. They do a couple of hours of the home learning material online, a PE/sport/outdoor activity and then an art/craft activity. Staff are on a rota and only see kids once every three weeks, so you have different specialisms every day.

Really12345 · 29/04/2020 17:36

@dickensinthepark you can see I did just that from my post, her own school said contact the LA which I did, they said they would get back if they could find her a space. It was late Sunday night when I found out where she was going the next morning with the email suggesting she was an inconvenience . I didn’t want to drop her that Monday but as it was crazy at work I felt I had no choice but to do my duty and go to work and I hoped that she would make friends and do some colouring and educational games and stuff - kind of like a holiday club.

The phone number they are actually using is a baton mobile rather than using the schools IT, which I found out on the first day. They don’t really have an email as there not a school. It’s a timetable of TAs and some teachers from all over in a central building providing childcare on a Rota. There is no way to find out who will be in the next day to look after her or even who is looking after her that day. There isn’t “choice” on what is offered here, if you are a key worker with no other provision the LA will allocate you a hub space. That is all you find out. My daughter (who is three so is an unreliable storyteller I accept) says she can’t get to the toilets as there too big and that there aren’t toys and as it’s a senior school building I can see that could well be true.

After posting on here previously about how I wasn’t happy about the quality of care it was suggested I should ask them if they would do her home learning from her own school, after a lot of chasing I got the email of the person coordinating the hub, they told me that no educational provision could be made as the government said they must not do any educational work and that as the children must be 2m apart they couldn’t play together. After this and the wetting herself accidents that tell me they are totally not set up to provide childcare for early years kids at all I am removing her and will wfh

Whatnametomorrow10 · 29/04/2020 17:38

I haven’t read all the comments but I understand what you mean but honestly it’s difficult with different ages etc. The school are providing a support function rather than a education function.

Also don’t think they are at a disadvantage I’m working full time from home my girls lucky if we can do a couple of hours in a day - it’s just the way it is at the moment.

Aesopfable · 29/04/2020 17:38

If you expect people to put their lives (and their families lives) on the line to support society then surely society has a moral duty to look after them and their families in a way society doesn’t have with people who aren’t taking that risk? If a parent dies as a result of that work then the disadvantages they will suffer are much greater than can be cancelled by an extra terms teaching.

CarpeVitam · 29/04/2020 17:42

gettingalife · 29/04/2020 17:43

I am a teacher. I was in school today supervising pupils ranging from Y7 to Y10. They have work set by their teachers. I ensured they did it. I don't teach or know any of the pupils who were in school. I worked flat out. That's what we're doing. The pupils completed the work set by their teachers and followed their normal timetable. That's what we're doing when we're in school. That's what your children will ge doing. How on earth you expect us to teach pupils who are all working on different subjects and are in different year groups is beyond me.

CallmeAngelina · 29/04/2020 17:44

don't think it's too much to expect that children in school could get some support with the learning set by their class teacher.

FFS! Of course it's not "too much to ask." BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF SCHOOLS!!!
It's not like you're the first person to think of it.
I have no idea why this has not been happening in the OP's child's school - or if it's even true that it hasn't, and is not just a misunderstanding or breakdown in communication somewhere along the line.
But even so, unless the OP is working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week (which is highly unlikely) there are still going to be periods of time when she can supervise her own child's home learning as well. Most parents are muddling along as best they can. No one can ask for more than that.

Piemash · 29/04/2020 17:46

'Just' childminders. Cheers.

Really12345 · 29/04/2020 17:50

@Whatsername177 some schools are clearly fantastic. I wish my daughters own school has been able to stay open. I come across several LAs in my work and some seem to have made great provision and some (including the one I live in) have not. Hubs are a bad idea for the the very young, it’s not fair to expect early years kids to not be able to play or have any continuity in carers. The feeling definitely is we are making this childcare as poor as possible while being just about safe so you don’t send your children. Needs looking at if this hours on long term as in those areas lots of key workers like me will remove kids and stop work.

gingerbeerandlemonade · 29/04/2020 17:52

They are having to set work for the rest of their class plus look after varied age range. FyI our pay isn't far off childminders anyway.

PenfoldsFive · 29/04/2020 17:53

The education threads show just how different the situation is across age groups. DD is 9, she got sent home with a load of worksheets on the last day, and we're working through them week by week. We are sent one email a week with tips for tackling the worksheets, and the email occasionally includes a link to something online. We are not asked to send any work in to the school, so there is no marking to be done. There is no online teaching, and nothing 'bespoke' online like a Moodle site. This is working fine for us.

The teachers are going in maybe once a fortnight. There is no work to mark, and all planning has been done up to the end of the school year (we know this as we have all the remaining weeks of worksheets already). We know that the teachers in our school aren't really doing anything.

I don't begrudge them, I think lucky them, in the way that I do about some people who are furloughed.

saraclara · 29/04/2020 17:55

Dear school
As I'm working 13 hour shifts at the moment, it's impossible for me to help my DC with the work set, when he comes home from school. Would it be possible for him to do that work during the school day, please?
Thanks very much
@Nickynackienoo

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BatleyTownswomensGuild · 29/04/2020 18:01

What do you consider 'teaching?' Just because kids are not filling in worksheets or sitting at tables writing in exercise books, it doesn't mean education is not happening. If they are being creative with paint, playing instruments, doing PE, making models, baking etc then they are learning....

Namenic · 29/04/2020 18:02

Cut the OP some slack. Working in healthcare is v stressful - which is why there is a huge shortage of nurses. I would say it is more stressful than kids and my current office work from home (Have dons both). She wasn’t aware of all the difficulties of doing marking as well as supervising kids of different ages.

I would be ok with key workers kids getting more teaching during corona. If people are keen for this, then they can sign up to be key workers - we need more nurses, carers, hcas, hospital cleaners, doctors, teachers

GuyFawkesDay · 29/04/2020 18:03

God I'm sticking in plenty of hours.

Today I spent 4 hours marking, wrote work books for next week, worked on long term department plans, set interview tasks for prospective members of staff, did 2 online meetings and failed totally to teach my own kids for more than 30 minutes.

When I'm in school, I'm helping kids do the work set and then providing breakout opportunities, exercise, doing art etc for them.

ScrewBalls99 · 29/04/2020 18:03

I get where op is coming from. We are lucky that my dp doesn't have a job at the moment. My dc definitely needing teaching not just supervising. It is unfair that your kids will be disadvantaged. When do is employed again we will do split shifts to teach/supervise our dc

dickensinthepark · 29/04/2020 18:04

After this and the wetting herself accidents that tell me they are totally not set up to provide childcare for early years kids at all I am removing her and will wfh

If you can WFH then why didn't you do that in the the first place instead of putting the school staff and your child at greater risk in the first place ?

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