Do you think Cornwall will be 'open' in July?

[NoSoapAndGory]

Hi all.

A purely speculative post to gauge opinions, as I know we don't know, don't have a crystal ball, etc etc.

We have booked a self catering holiday cottage near Bude for the first 10 days of July. We live in the South East, so it's about 5 hours drive to get there on a good day. We have a dog so would need to stop at a service station at least once.

As part of general future-focused conversation, DH and I are ruminating about

1: will we be 'allowed' to go
2: if we are, would we want to anyway?
3: if it's 'allowed', will the Bude community welcome us or hate us?
4: will the tourist industry want revenue or not?

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Anyone else having similar discussions, and if so, what are you thinking?

It’s not 1 in 5 jobs. It’s 20% of local GDP. Totally different.

Some posters seem to have a real issue with Cornwall. Perhaps you shouldn’t come here then. It’s not compulsory 🤷‍♀️

@transformandriseup I used to hang out in the Crofty wasteland as a child. Used to mess about in tunnels, dodgy coloured water and machinery. And shelter from the rain in huge giant metal pipes. After all we didn’t have decent playgrounds, good schools or anywhere better to go.

Good ol’ 90s.

You are right of course - South Crofty reopening is the biggest Cornish myth going 😂

category he said what we are experiencing is not a tragedy.

And yes, a lot of umm-ing and ahh-ing and wait till next week.

i.e absolute bollocks.

It’s also sad that the second poorest area in the EU didn’t value the EU or the support it received from the EU. Cornwall doesn’t support itself.

43.5% of people in Cornwall voted remain.

If a lot of the population in Cornwall is old and retired, that would have skewed the vote towards leave (although obviously lots of old and retired people also voted remain).

Thanks. I thought I'd missed something when he finished, but in basically no answer then. I find him really difficult to listen to: I guess that's his political "skill".

I assume the turnout of younger Cornish voters was low. The few young Cornish people I know have moved away. The people I know who have moved in are well over 50 and then complain about lack of services. They do have money in the bank though from selling in more expensive areas and have retired early. So I do think the voting was skewed but I still don’t understand why the funding from the EU wasn’t recognised as of value. The clock won’t go back to an industrial heritage.

I think people only have an issue with Cornwall because of the vociferous cries of stay away. It’s a bit like fiddling while Rome burns. And that’s before the word grockle is mentioned! People who visit would like to think they have value and are supporting the 2nd most deprived area in the EU. But can feel unwanted and unwelcome.

We have a population of 565 000 here but only 60 ICU beds

Is that the usual number of ICU beds or does it include new ones created because of Covid?

East Sussex has a population of approx 530k, and I just checked the number ICU beds n our 2 hospitals: 6 in one, 5 in the other, so 11 in total!

Admittedly, we have 2 hospitals with ICU just to the west of the county, and one to the north that serves one East Sussex town and a few villages, but it doesn't seem like many.

I was shocked, tbh.

Under normal circumstances the hospital at Treliske has 15 ICU beds

People who visit Cornwall do have value for the local economy. Just not as much as the people who live here all year round. Same as anywhere.

@BubblesBuddy People from Devon don't like grockles - in Cornwall they don't like Emmets, I think!

May have missed the point of the thread.......

It’s not 1 in 5 jobs. It’s 20% of local GDP. Totally different.

It is 20% and 1 in 5 jobs.

Cornwall is a small streak on a larger sphere. The point is this sphere has gravity and that binds atoms, particles and viruses all together. No escape eventually.

I think Cornish people have a lot of pride and prefer to think of Cornwall as the innovative force of the industrial revolution . As the inventors of hard rock mining technology, and deep well pumps. Serving single scoops of ice cream to squalling children doesn't match anyone's view of heroic. The miner's safety lamp invented in Cornwall by Humphrey Davy is still the basis. Cornwall was trading with the Phoenicians before Christ was born, for tin and other minerals. Every deep rock mining or tunnelling project that has been undertaken since 1850 is based indirectly on what was learned driving a canal tunnel through a kilometre of solid granite in west Devon by a man called JohnTaylor. His legacy is Taylor Woodrow on the civil engineering side. The metallurgists he worked with created a global company until recently called Johnson Matthey.

The Victorian era destroys any claim of the modern era's superiority several times over with the quickest glimpse at their achievements. Steam and later electricity created the world and the conveniences we take for granted, from Bazalgette's drainage and sewage systems, the progress in public health with clean water supply alone have transformed humanity's prospects.

I don't think so ... I love to go and stay in our lovely seaside home and we have a holiday booked in June .. I don't think we will be able to do either for a good few months yet ... But when we can we will be there .. Luckily our gardener is still going and checking in the house as we haven't been since January and our lovely cleaner has been in and had a refresh and sorted the heating etc as obviously there's no one there so it's safe for them to do so .. I really miss being by the sea .. We had a few air bnb guests that have had to cancel too .. Although they have rebooted for next year with a complimentary extra night to soften the blow of missing there holiday x

@justasking111 That's all I want from Wales. Walks and beaches.

The electricity that you expect to flick on and off with a switch makes possible the medical technology that may ventilate your parent's breathing long enough to survive illness, and the computer you may respond on, just for starters.

I do wonder what will happen to center parcs when you holiday in the UK with children, beaches and walks are not really enough hence all the places to visit daily. What do you do if they remain closed?

I think centerparks is a bit buggered at the moment.

category I think you are just supposed to absorb his general vibe.

I’ll just leave this here as we need a laugh.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-xNroy-m88

I can’t see how places like centre parks and some of the bigger sites can open until there are vaccines, lots of people in one place is going to be a no no.

I really hope some of the small camp sites open, we tend to chose quiet places as both dc have autism and don’t really like busy places (centre parks is our idea of hell), we do love Cornwall but wouldn’t visit during high season.

We are waiting for confirmation of our break being cancelled for the end of the month (I’m guessing it will be cancelled).

When people say they expect attractions to reopen, it neglects the facts they have costs in the meantime. There is a high possibility that some attractions may never reopen. No visitors for a year simply means they are not viable.

Budget airlines, for example, work on 80% occupancy. They are not viable with less. If you look at the model for many businesses in the hospitality sector, high numbers of visitors or bookings is vital in the high season. That’s how they survive. If these disappear they cannot survive. So you might stay in a house or camp site but where you can go will be severely limited.

In Devon you're grockles, in Cornwall you're emmets. HTH.

New forest here...we say grockles for tourists.