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To be fed up of friend who thinks she’s holier than thou just because she’s married?

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crazy4cheesecake · 25/04/2020 13:16

Anyone experienced this before?

I’ve been single for around 6 years now, last serious relationship ended because he cheated. Have been dating on and off for the last few years but I work full time in quite a demanding job plus I’ve always been the type of person who enjoys their own company.
I spend a lot of time with family and friends outside of work but of course it would be nice to have a partner, I’m not overly bothered though as I’m sure when the time is right, it will happen.

Best friend of 10 years (Let’s call her C) is married with two kids and as much as I love her, there has always been this divide between us because we chose different paths in life. She works part time two days a week as where I work 50-60hrs a week normally. She has made her feelings known about how she doesn’t understand why I work so many hours and that there is more to life than just working. I earn a relatively good salary but what comes with that, is a lot of responsibility and hours. I knew that when I took the job on. I am saving up to my buy my own home (number 1 goal for me right now) and so I’m happy to work all the hours that god sends. I rent at the moment and honestly can’t see myself wasting money for the next 10/20 years on a property that will never be mine. C is happy to rent and doesn’t see it that way, plus could never afford to buy a property anyway. She would rather spend money on her kids, go on holidays and days out etc. I absolutely understand and would probably do the same if I had children. I don’t judge her at all for her decision, but feel that she doesn’t show me the same courtesy.

It’s the same situation with romantic relationships. C is married and has been for nearly 4 years. She has openly told me that she settled for her husband, that he wasn’t the type of person she would normally be interested in (physical looks and personality) and that she basically had to force herself to “like/fall in love” with him. Imo she absolutely did settle for him (that’s not a criticism against him, I think he’s a lovely man but they are different in so many ways) but again, she can’t understand why I wouldn’t do the same thing. Imo life is too short to be with someone who your “just about” keen on.

Now the problem is, anytime I have a romantic interaction with a man or think I might be interested in someone, C thinks it’s her duty to “school” me on what I should and shouldn’t be doing. I have never asked for C’s advice regarding romantic relationships, just because her and her husband fight day and night and just generally do not much as a couple (I have kept this opinion to myself of course). I think given the fact that she basically had to force herself to fall in love with her husband, she really isn’t the best person to be giving advice.
I will admit, around 4 years ago I had an off and on relationship (more like sex) with a man for just over a year. He screwed with my head massively and of course C was there to pick up the pieces, like I would have if the roles had been reversed. I use to go to her, but not so much for advice but more of a shoulder to cry on.

Now, 3 years later, the man is now gone, I’m fine and back to my normal happy self but C still thinks it’s her responsibility to “monitor” my potential relationships. Due to all these issues I no longer discuss any romantic possibilities with C as I really just don’t want her advice. The only time we talk about it is if she initiates a conversation about it first. I recently started chatting to a man on Match at the end of last month, we seemed to share the same interests and just generally got on very well. 3 weeks later and the conversation has fizzled out, fine by me. I hadn’t even met the man yet (due to COVID) so it was generally easy to move on and start again. C rang me yesterday to have a quick catch up and asked if I had been speaking to anyone, I mentioned the man above and explained that nothing was going to progress as the convo had fizzled out. C then decided to express her opinion of how she thought “I hadn’t tried very hard and should put in a bit more effort, I’m always so quick to dismiss things etc”. I said I didn’t see the need to, he wasn’t overly bothered and neither was I. Why would I chase someone who wasn’t interested?. C basically highlighted the fact that I had been single for a number of years, and if I really wanted to meet someone I would need to put a bit more effort in. Imo, relationships are a two way thing and I just didn’t see the need to try any harder.

Again, I hadn’t asked for her advice but she still felt the need to “school” me. I think C should be concentrating on her own marriage before berating me, especially given the points I’ve mentioned above. I respect the decisions that she makes, they work for her and her family but not so much me. We’re different, and I’m fine with that but I feel that C has this attitude of “well this is the way that I do things, so people should follow suit”. It’s a shame it has come to this, she has been my best friend for years and despite these issues, we do get on when we’re together and we talk nearly 2-3 times a week on the phone. We keep each other going, but I think our differences are starting to show and cause problems.

What do you guys think?

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crazy4cheesecake · 25/04/2020 13:16

Apologies, that was much longer than I intended it to be Blush

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TriangleBingoBongo · 25/04/2020 13:17

I don’t think your a particularly good match as friends and some distance would be better for you both.

cakeandchampagne · 25/04/2020 13:18

How old are you?

AfterSchoolWorry · 25/04/2020 13:19

I wouldn't tell her anything. Just keep your personal life private.

Soon2BeMumof3 · 25/04/2020 13:20

I didn't read to the end so apologies if I missed something crucial.

Stop spending time and energy on people who make you feel bad.

Life's not a race with our friends.

amijustparanoidorjuststoned · 25/04/2020 13:21

Oo-er. You lost/had me at "she has openly told me she settled for her husband".

I was prepared to say "leave her be, whatever makes her happy, just ignore her". But let's put the shoe on the other foot - if YOU had settled for a man who wasn't your type and you didn't really love, I guarantee she'd be the one again making you feel inferior.

There's a saying that I love: "A lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep".

Just remember not everyone is destined to be in your life forever. From what you've written, your lives have gone in different paths and she appears to be desperate to control you, to an extent. There's no reason you can't still be friendly with her - I'm just not sure this is the type of friendship I would want!

What do YOU want to happen? x

Fatted · 25/04/2020 13:23

Just don't talk to her about your relationships, even if she asks. You know how it's going to end!

NurseButtercup · 25/04/2020 13:25

It's ok to accept that you've grown apart, a lot of friendships last for a season in your life you drift apart and then move on.

crazy4cheesecake · 25/04/2020 13:29

I'm 29 and C is 30 @cakeandchampagne

I have tried my very best to not discuss private relationships with her but when she asks me, I never know what to say. I don't want to lie to my friend but at the same time, I don't feel I can be honest or express my feelings without her being judgemental. I don't know why it's bothering me so much now. Maybe it's always been this way but I've just blocked it out.

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 25/04/2020 13:29

Id be fucking her right off. Life's too short to spend it with arseholes. Absolutely, there's more to life than working all hours, there's no argument against that one. However some people have no choice but to work all hours. Not everyone is pampered and carried around like that cheeky smug bitch.
Yet I bet she's also the type who look down on a single unemployed mum.

Bluntness100 · 25/04/2020 13:29

If you don’t want her opinion why tell her about this guy ? Just say no I’m not chatting to anyone and leave it there.

crazy4cheesecake · 25/04/2020 13:33

Because surely I should be able to say "yes I've been chatting to someone but I've decided not to pursue it" without her berating me and telling me I've not tried hard enough, no? @Bluntness100 .. I'm sure most people would just say "oh okay fair enough" or at least I would have. Maybe I'm just not good at this friendship stuff Grin

I want to be honest with her, and of course if I ever meet "the one" (Blush) she'll be the first person I'll tell.

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crazy4cheesecake · 25/04/2020 13:35

I'm not sure what I want from this thread. I just wasn't sure if I was being sensitive or if she is really just very judgemental.

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Umnoway · 25/04/2020 13:36

I had a friend just like this, maybe the same friend Grin. I was divorced whereas she was still with her childhood sweetheart years down the line so of course she was a much better person than me. I had a career whereas she had given up her min wage job to be a SAHM although her DH didn’t work either so they were on benefits. Her DH basically sat in his ‘office’ playing games all day long so they barely saw each other but she claimed this was a great thing because she enjoyed the space...

Every time I mentioned I was dating someone she also tried to school me in the art of dating even though she’d never dated anyone other than her DH who she met as a teenager... I got so tired of it eventually I just stopped talking to her, couldn’t be arsed with it anymore. She also couldn’t understand why I was wasting my time on a career, she was ‘homeschooling’ her DC who she was very much devoted to and kind of forgot herself. I found her life rather sad tbh but never said that, I think she preached at me to make herself feel better.

minettechatouette · 25/04/2020 13:39

You sound massively judgy of her tbh. She hasn't indicated that she is unhappy in her marriage, just that it wasn't love at first sight with her husband - which is perfectly normal and doesn't mean that a relationship will fail.

If she picked up the pieces following a bad relationship 4 years ago, then I would cut her some serious slack. Of course she doesn't want to see you repeat the same mistake and to that extent 'monitors' your relationship.

I would just stop sharing if you don't want her advice. Unwanted advice is annoying, so I don't disagree with you there. However, I don't agree with you that she shouldn't be giving you advice because her marriage is not up to some imaginary standard. I also don't think her advice sounds bad per se - dismissing people very quickly can be a problem with modern dating (when there are so many options on apps/online etc) and I do think that there's something to be said with giving people a second chance if you're not sure. Sometimes friends can have an insight too.

However, yes, if you are not interested in advice, and she can't resist dispensing it, you're just going to have to stay off the subject of your love life with her. Sounds like you have lots else going on so it shouldn't be too difficult.

WitchWife · 25/04/2020 13:43

Have you tried telling her that her advice can be upsetting? I know that sounds obvious but it’s amazing how often I forget that just communicating something like that can make a difference

billy1966 · 25/04/2020 13:45

OP, she's judgy and pass remarkable...it's who she is.

She likes judging you and feeling superior to poor single you🙄, particularly as she married young, settled for someone she spends a lot of time arguing with.

Lecturing you makes her feel better about settling and messing up her own life.

Settling for someone is not a good idea.

Marriage and children can be very challenging, even for those who care hugely for each other.

I would either spell it out to her that you prefer she kept her opinions on your love life to herself.

Suck it up.

Cease being friends.

She sounds a right pain in the arse.

Best of luck OPFlowers

KMoKMo · 25/04/2020 13:47

It doesn’t sound like you have much in common tbh. Is conversation difficult sometimes? You have very different lives. Perhaps she talks the way she does because she can’t relate to anything else in your life, perhaps she genuinely thinks she knows best or perhaps she just wants to see you settled with someone happy. Perhaps she is projecting.
Unless you tell her you don’t like the way she speaks to you about dating she won’t change and perhaps she doesn’t realise you find it upsetting.
I think you either speak to her about it, don’t tell her if you don’t want her opinion or let the relationship go.

BunnytheHoneyBee · 25/04/2020 13:51

I don’t think you’re being insensitive OP. You’re friend sounds like a bit of a twat.

What will she do when you do find a great man (that you didn’t settle for), your own home and maybe kids if your own, when she can’t take the view that she’s better off in some way? I imagine she’d find that tough.

I certainly wouldn’t want her relationship advice.

If she’s a true friend, you should be able to be honest. When she asks you about your dating life tell her you don’t feel comfortable talking about it as you feel she judges you or is critical or whatever it is. That you are on different paths at the moment but you don’t appreciate feeling like she’s judging you are that she’s made better choices by settling down early.

I have a friend who did a similar thing with her husband. He’s lovely and I get the impression they don’t argue at all or anything like that. BUT they were in the same group of friends at uni and she used to say that he’d try it on with her or comment that it’s a shame she’s not single as they’d be great together. She used to take the piss a bit and make fun of his appearance to me, then one day she said they’d been on a date and kissed, and I remember saying something like “what? But you never fancied him?” Anyway months later they were living together then engaged and now they’re married with two kids. She was v academic like I was but she’s given up work to be a SAHM and our lives our quite different now. I’m married too but I still work full time, no kids yet. She lives far away so I don’t actually see her much. But the fact that her life revolves around her children (one of whom has behaviour problems and needs a lot of attention) obviously affects our friendship. We are still by good friends though and although I think there are things we’d both have done differently (I thought it weird she married someone she said for years she’d never go for and she is probably find my choice of husband weird too - less reliable in some ways but made chemistry)

HannaYeah · 25/04/2020 13:55

She sounds really annoying actually.

When she starts this up, just say “Oh I’m just catching you up, not looking for any advice. But thanks!” Then change the subject.

Re: work. “This is what works for me, and I enjoy it. I realize putting so much time into career is not for everyone, of course. But it’s a path I’m pleased about taking.”

In other words, stop letting her treat you like a project. But plan on her getting angry when you change the dynamic with her. She seems to enjoy talking down to you.

recycledbottle · 25/04/2020 14:06

You seem as judgemental about her life as you say she is about yours. If she is a good friend in general then I would minimise discussions about your romantic life or tell her you dont need her input politely. This would include not seeking her support if it goes tits up.

WitchWife · 25/04/2020 14:07

Sorry I meant to say more - I did this once and it really worked with a friend who kept bringing up a past “fling”. I said something like “I know you think it’s really funny/interesting to keep talking about what happened with X, but every time you talk about him it makes me feel like you think I’m stupid and make terrible decisions. I’m sure you don’t mean to hurt my feelings but that’s what happens. Maybe we could just leave that subject alone for a bit.”

She was mortified it had actually made me feel shit and barely ever mentioned it again!!

BumbleBeee69 · 25/04/2020 14:09

You sound massively judgy of her tbh

Well.. it IS OP's Thread... Confused

OP tell her to Piss Off... Flowers

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 25/04/2020 14:13

Nothing you've said suggests the two of you should be friends.

MintyCedric · 25/04/2020 14:15

It sounds like she knows she's settled, isn't particularly happy and may be a bit envious of the fact you haven't gone down that road and have more freedom and options. She's carrying on the way she is with you as means of not having to think about or analyse her own feelings/situation.

That said, I think you might be a bit oversensitive to it to, and I can understand that. I left my marriage of 20 years a few years back and started completely from scratch with my DD. I have to work really hard sometimes not to be resentful of colleagues who have easier lives because they are either a/ lucky in their choice of partner or b/ have chosen to take the path of least resistance.

If you want to keep this friend in your life, I'd suggest a bit of distance and few well chosen white lies. Next time she asks about your love life, tell her you're not looking at the moment, because there's not point if you can't actually meet up, and get her off your back for a while. Or point out that we don't all want to have to work our arses off to capture the attention of a man we barely know as if we're still in the bloody fifties!

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