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To be fed up of friend who thinks she’s holier than thou just because she’s married?

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crazy4cheesecake · 25/04/2020 13:16

Anyone experienced this before?

I’ve been single for around 6 years now, last serious relationship ended because he cheated. Have been dating on and off for the last few years but I work full time in quite a demanding job plus I’ve always been the type of person who enjoys their own company.
I spend a lot of time with family and friends outside of work but of course it would be nice to have a partner, I’m not overly bothered though as I’m sure when the time is right, it will happen.

Best friend of 10 years (Let’s call her C) is married with two kids and as much as I love her, there has always been this divide between us because we chose different paths in life. She works part time two days a week as where I work 50-60hrs a week normally. She has made her feelings known about how she doesn’t understand why I work so many hours and that there is more to life than just working. I earn a relatively good salary but what comes with that, is a lot of responsibility and hours. I knew that when I took the job on. I am saving up to my buy my own home (number 1 goal for me right now) and so I’m happy to work all the hours that god sends. I rent at the moment and honestly can’t see myself wasting money for the next 10/20 years on a property that will never be mine. C is happy to rent and doesn’t see it that way, plus could never afford to buy a property anyway. She would rather spend money on her kids, go on holidays and days out etc. I absolutely understand and would probably do the same if I had children. I don’t judge her at all for her decision, but feel that she doesn’t show me the same courtesy.

It’s the same situation with romantic relationships. C is married and has been for nearly 4 years. She has openly told me that she settled for her husband, that he wasn’t the type of person she would normally be interested in (physical looks and personality) and that she basically had to force herself to “like/fall in love” with him. Imo she absolutely did settle for him (that’s not a criticism against him, I think he’s a lovely man but they are different in so many ways) but again, she can’t understand why I wouldn’t do the same thing. Imo life is too short to be with someone who your “just about” keen on.

Now the problem is, anytime I have a romantic interaction with a man or think I might be interested in someone, C thinks it’s her duty to “school” me on what I should and shouldn’t be doing. I have never asked for C’s advice regarding romantic relationships, just because her and her husband fight day and night and just generally do not much as a couple (I have kept this opinion to myself of course). I think given the fact that she basically had to force herself to fall in love with her husband, she really isn’t the best person to be giving advice.
I will admit, around 4 years ago I had an off and on relationship (more like sex) with a man for just over a year. He screwed with my head massively and of course C was there to pick up the pieces, like I would have if the roles had been reversed. I use to go to her, but not so much for advice but more of a shoulder to cry on.

Now, 3 years later, the man is now gone, I’m fine and back to my normal happy self but C still thinks it’s her responsibility to “monitor” my potential relationships. Due to all these issues I no longer discuss any romantic possibilities with C as I really just don’t want her advice. The only time we talk about it is if she initiates a conversation about it first. I recently started chatting to a man on Match at the end of last month, we seemed to share the same interests and just generally got on very well. 3 weeks later and the conversation has fizzled out, fine by me. I hadn’t even met the man yet (due to COVID) so it was generally easy to move on and start again. C rang me yesterday to have a quick catch up and asked if I had been speaking to anyone, I mentioned the man above and explained that nothing was going to progress as the convo had fizzled out. C then decided to express her opinion of how she thought “I hadn’t tried very hard and should put in a bit more effort, I’m always so quick to dismiss things etc”. I said I didn’t see the need to, he wasn’t overly bothered and neither was I. Why would I chase someone who wasn’t interested?. C basically highlighted the fact that I had been single for a number of years, and if I really wanted to meet someone I would need to put a bit more effort in. Imo, relationships are a two way thing and I just didn’t see the need to try any harder.

Again, I hadn’t asked for her advice but she still felt the need to “school” me. I think C should be concentrating on her own marriage before berating me, especially given the points I’ve mentioned above. I respect the decisions that she makes, they work for her and her family but not so much me. We’re different, and I’m fine with that but I feel that C has this attitude of “well this is the way that I do things, so people should follow suit”. It’s a shame it has come to this, she has been my best friend for years and despite these issues, we do get on when we’re together and we talk nearly 2-3 times a week on the phone. We keep each other going, but I think our differences are starting to show and cause problems.

What do you guys think?

OP posts:
AcrossthePond55 · 25/04/2020 14:20

So she urges you to 'keep trying' with me you appear to know aren't really what you want? Sounds to me as if she's urging you to 'settle' for someone, too. Just like she did.

Misery loves company. She wants you to be as miserable as she is.

HedgehogHotel · 25/04/2020 14:23

I would step back from the friendship, tbh. She wants you to validate her choice of settling by doing the same.

Don't.

Candyfloss99 · 25/04/2020 14:23

She's probably jealous your are living your life on your terms whereas she settled for a man she doesn't fancy and is now trapped.

TwuckFwaps · 25/04/2020 14:25

I am pretty sure I know C...

Does she get pissed of when you don't take her assvice?

I cut my "C" out of our lives, it was one of the best things I have done...

Glitterb · 25/04/2020 14:30

Don’t let ANYONE tell you how you should be living your life OP, even a best friend!

She has decided to live one way, but you are not her! It’s great that she’s married and has kids, but it will happen for you when you are ready.

I have had friends in the past who looked down on me as I didn’t have a boyfriend and therefore wasn’t on their ‘wavelength’ anymore. I’ve never judged any of my friends due to a relationship status, I just want them to be happy.

Do what makes you happy!

CheesecakeAddict · 25/04/2020 14:30

It sounds like she's doing that thing that unhappy people do, when they try and drag other people down the same path as them, so they don't feel so lonely in their unhappiness. Keep doing what you are doing, and let her get on with it. I think there are also certain women out there who can't see happiness without a husband and children, and don't see why a career might be more important to other women.

minettechatouette · 25/04/2020 14:31

Well.. it IS OP's Thread...

Sure, but the OP also says "I respect the decisions that she makes" ...

But she also says:
-her friend "only" works two days a week vs her own career commitment (could be wrong but I am guessing she has childcare commitments!);
-the OP can't see herself continuing to "waste money" on rent whereas her friend is happy to rent, will never be able to afford to buy anyway and "chooses" to spend her money on her children;
-"I think given the fact that she basically had to force herself to fall in love with her husband, she really isn’t the best person to be giving advice."
-"I think C should be concentrating on her own marriage before berating me, especially given the points I’ve mentioned above."

I am just sensing huge judgment of this friend's (perfectly normal sounding) life choices.

IMHO it's fine to tell this friend not to give advice and as PPs have suggested, say that you are finding it hurtful. I don't think it's right or nice to sneer at the friend's life and suggest that her circumstances mean she has no place giving advice, particularly in circumstances when she was there for the OP at a difficult time in the OP's life (and I'm guessing about the time the friend herself was getting married/having kids, so not a time where people always make the most time for friends).

I think there are also certain women out there who can't see happiness without a husband and children, and don't see why a career might be more important to other women.
It's perfectly possible to have a career and a family - even if you're a woman Confused

AgentJohnson · 25/04/2020 14:42

C isn’t particularly fulfilled in her own life hence the unsolicited advice.

This isn’t about judgement, it’s about a lack of respect on her part. How long do you think your friendship will last if this continues?

It’s time to have a frank chat about boundaries. She doesn’t have to agree with your choices to respect your right to make them. If she won’t, then you need to ask yourself if listening to her ‘advice’ is the price you’re willing pay to stay friends.

monkeymonkey2010 · 25/04/2020 14:43

You seem to still be under the illusion that she's your friend Hmm

She isn't.
A real friend doesn't DELIBERATELY make digs at you, criticize you or put you every chance she gets.

She's jealous and resentful.
She chose to settle - whereas you still have the chance/possibility of REAL love.

I've met a few women like her - and they won't stop their shitty behaviour or attitude....they can keep up the act of being 'superior' and mask their insecurities and regrets only by painting you as the 'dysfunctional' one.

anytime I have a romantic interaction with a man or think I might be interested in someone, C thinks it’s her duty to “school” me
This is so patronizing, insulting and rude!

Why do you allow her to talk to you like that?
I'd tell her straight up "You're not in a position to give me advice on relationships. I don't appreciate your constant digs at me dressed up as 'advice'. I suggest you focus on sorting out your own life and regrets for 'settling' - don't project your own unhappiness onto me"

She won't ever be genuinely happy for you when you have good times with a man.....and during the bad times she'll lord it over you and basically act like an abusive spouse.

Winterwoollies · 25/04/2020 14:49

She’s not really happy with her choices, despite her pretending to be, and is threatened by you carving out your own successful, independent life. That’s why she’s knocking you down all the time.

Step away from her and share nothing about your life.

JackMummy12 · 25/04/2020 15:00

I think she probably wants some of the things you have i.e good career able to save for a house etc and are things she can’t do right now, so she is saying well I wouldn’t want to not be married, not have my children etc. It’s her problem not yours

BunnytheHoneyBee · 25/04/2020 15:10

I am just sensing huge judgment of this friend's (perfectly normal sounding) life choices.

I don’t see it this way.

I think when people are judgmental or critical of others it does caste a bit of a light on their own situation. OP might not have judgment her friend about her life choices but feeling she is being judged or looked down on by her friend would naturally make her think “I wouldn’t choose to live my life the way you do so don’t expect me to want a life like yours”.

Also OP has a point about her friend settling for her DH but then thinking she’s an authority when it comes to dating and relationships.

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