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Garden and fence

135 replies

Onthe1234 · 25/04/2020 07:52

Hello sorry will be slightly long. i moved in to my new house in Feb.and the weather is nice we have started clearing the garden and decided to put a new fence up all the way around as one side hasent really got one and the other side is just bushes and tress and I have 2 dc under 6 so need to be safe to let them go out and the neighbour was fine up until we said we was keeping the good side off the fence as it will stop the kids climbing on it but she wants to good side as her dog can climb but went out the other day came back to a note and she wants to know all what we've got planned for the garden and wants to see planning permission i don't need planning permission for a fence do I? As long as its not above 2m she also wants to know what else we have got planned for the garden as it is unlevel and we was going to dig so much to level it then put a patio on shes got no right as its my garden and will have nothing to do with her or is she right and I need to let her no my plans?

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Osirus · 26/04/2020 00:24

OP, please use full stops in your posts; it makes them much easier to read.

You WILL need permission from the council/HA before undertaking works like these, especially if cutting down trees and paving. You may also be expected to put things back to their original state.

You ARE being unreasonable about which side of the fence faces into your garden.

Louiselouie0890 · 26/04/2020 00:56

I have never understood this bad side good side. Who ever buys it should have the good side. Why would you buy something and give your neighbour the good side?

Eastender77 · 26/04/2020 01:23

Oit neighbours just got new fencing all around their boundary, which is alongside our garden, we have the ‘good side’ and they have the bad side ! She questioned it with the person doing the fence and he said you have the bad side on your own side to stop people using it to climb in to your property as it has the supporting slats on that can be used to step up and over.

Eastender77 · 26/04/2020 01:28

So this is what view the neighbour has

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Eastender77 · 26/04/2020 01:29

And mine is like this (not actual photos of her fence) she’s not impressed - it cost a fortune.

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Rosspoldarkssaddle · 26/04/2020 05:06

A friend of ours wanted the good side facing their garden as they had paid a fortune for it. The
neighbour built a fence right alongside it with the good side facing theirs. Problem solved.

anicebag · 26/04/2020 06:51

Why are posters asking if she drinks and pulling her upon grammar etc?

OP. People don't like change they perceive to be negative. It might all work out fine and your kids/ her dogs won't bother each other. However, I would try and offer compromise such as does she want a quote for getting her side of the fence done at the same time. Or allaying her fears in other ways. Much, much nicer to have cordial relationships-you never know when you might need each other. Garden disagreements can and do blow over and you want a long and happy tenancy.

LakieLady · 26/04/2020 07:17

OP if your dad is a concillor surely he will know that you need permission from your landlord to remove any trees in your garden?

I wouldn't be so sure. Twenty years in local government, in a role that brought me into almost daily contact with councillors, taught me that an awful lot of people who become councillors are deeply dim and manifestly unfit for the job.

Some served several terms and never got their heads round the fact that the council can only do things that it has the power to do, despite having had training in it every 4 years.

emilybrontescorsett · 26/04/2020 07:38

Op- I lived in a LA house with a very big garden which had a huge tree in it, completely in my garden. My lovely next door neighbour asked if they could cut down the branches which overhung into their garden, sure I said no problem. This lead to me thinking I’d like some of the branches cut down too, massive tree. I rang the LA they came out to inspect. The answer was no, the tree cannot be cut at all. I had to leave it. I don’t live there any more.

Onthe1234 · 26/04/2020 11:45

No i don't drink I havent drank in two years. The only tree we carnt chop down is one on the front garden. We have chopped it down this morning she phine the police they was laughing really as they could see it was on my garden not hers for a start her garden is lower then myn so why is it the same level as my garden she has also changed her mind about where the bondrey is so I will be on the phone first thing in the morning to talk to someone as I'm 100percent its the concrate posts that go up both side off the garden ill post pics

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Onthe1234 · 27/04/2020 10:34

Spoke to the council this morning they gettimg back in touch with me but they said the posts are put there so we.know where boreder is told them about the tree and they wasent bothered

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Traviis · 27/04/2020 11:32

Good luck OP, I hope you get your garden sorted and I hope that you have a peace in the team you live in that house.

strawberry2017 · 27/04/2020 11:40

I would just get a fence with both nice sides, it's will save so much hassle.

OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 27/04/2020 11:51

Did you seriously just took a tree down during nesting season?
This post must be a joke. Confused
I had no idea people can do whatever they fancy like this to council properties

PrimalLass · 27/04/2020 11:57

Maybe there was no nest in it.

MorganKitten · 27/04/2020 12:06

It’s nesting season and you cut a tree down? Wow.

Itwasntme1 · 27/04/2020 12:06

@Eastender77 your neighbour should have discussed this with her builder. There is no way I would pay for an expensive fence just to have neighbours enjoying all the benefit. My fences are faced to me.

She should have either paid for a double sided fence or faced it to her.

Many years ago my parents neighbours removed a Jointly owned double sided fence between the gardens and replaced it with a single sided fence, good side facing them.

My parents quietly spoke to the builder and said they would pay to have it double sided because their side was now unsightly. The builder said he explained this to the neighbour but they didn’t really get it. Once the work was done, th builder explained to my mum and dad that it had finally clicked with the neighbour And they picked up the cost of both Sides.

LakieLady · 27/04/2020 12:11

OP, I'm fairly sure that someone pointed out upthread that it was very unwise to fell a tree between 1 March and 31 August, because of the risk to any nesting birds.

Because some birds build small nests, that are little more than a random-looking collection of twigs, it's very hard to be sure that there isn't a nest in a tree.

It's possible your neighbour believes that there was a nest in your tree, and that you have committed an offence and (iirc) the Wildlife and Countryside Act, and that may be why she has reported the tree felling.

Your father was wrong, and whoever you spoke to at the council was wrong too, for not explaining this to you. But then if you just spoke to someone in housing, you weren't really talking to the people who know.

But either way, you've now royally pissed off your neighbour, which is most unwise.

caramac04 · 27/04/2020 12:11

I always thought the person erecting the fence had the ‘not good’ side. However when my neighbours replaced the fence between us they wanted the good side and we agreed to this. I prefer the not good side as I can attach trellis and grow plants there. I’ve a lovely clematis growing there now.

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notangelinajolie · 27/04/2020 12:24

I'd say if you are paying then you get to decide which side of the fence you are having. Unless if course it says differently on the deeds but you seem to have that covered with the council.

I personally couldn't get wound up over which side of the fence I'd be getting if someone else was paying but she has a good point about the dog. And it is easier to tell kids not to climb than a dog.

Give her the side that's harder to climb and put some nice shrubs in on your side.

This really isn't the time of year to be cutting trees down. Maybe she is Sad at that too. Your plans do sound a bit concrete car parky. Moving into a house and going in all guns blazing and chopping every bit of greenery down is a sure fire way to upset neighbours.

Onthe1234 · 27/04/2020 12:29

Yes I cut a tree down it wasent a massive tree about 6ft maybe abit higher and no there wasent no nests in it and the fence has already been orderd its not going in the middle off the bondry its going on my garden and what she has put up as a make shift fence is staying there and tbh she spoke to me like a pace off crap so I'm not really fussed and we have been informed she has had the same problem with the neighbours at the other side

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OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 27/04/2020 12:32

I am surprised council said ok to you taking it down even if it's just 6ft.

LakieLady · 27/04/2020 12:40

What sort of tree was it, OP?

LakieLady · 27/04/2020 12:51

OP, have a read of this:

"Here is the guidance from our accrediting body The Arboricultural Association which you can also find on their website.

‘The ‘Bird Nesting Season’ is officially from February until August and it is recommended that vegetation works (tree or hedge cutting) or site clearance should be done outside of the nesting season. However, in reality the nesting period may start before this and extend beyond it, in some cases. The busiest time for nesting birds is from 1st March until 31st July and of course varies according to species, etc.

As contractors we must aim to avoid impact to nesting birds and infringement of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 and breaching the European Habitats Directive 1992/Nesting Birds Directive.

When tree or vegetation clearance work has to be undertaken during the nesting season, a pre-works survey needs to be carried out by a suitably competent person. As a general rule, it should be assumed that birds will be nesting in trees, and as contractors it is down to us to assess, record and confirm that any works carried out in the management of trees and other vegetation has not disturbed actively nesting birds.

Ground vegetation, and therefore ground nesting birds, can often be overlooked by tree workers so additional care and controls should be taken when access and egress to the work site may also cause disturbance or damage to a nesting site. This is also true for retained trees on site as the removal of adjacent trees or remedial works on a tree may lead to the established nest being abandoned, exposed to the elements or predation."

www.teigntrees.co.uk/blog/2019/tree-work-during-nesting-season-the-facts

Even if a tree doesn't have a nest in it, it can still provide shade, shelter and a food source for garden birds. Chopping down a tree at this time of year is an awful thing to do. I think I might have been tempted to report a neighbour who'd done this, and I'm usually the last to grass.

Gazelda · 27/04/2020 12:55

I'd be very careful to play everything by the book OP. Run all changes by the council, and get their agreement in writing (email). Make sure you advise neighbour of dates and likely duration of works. Make sure she knows you have considered fence height, drainage, and any other impact on her garden.

A short time making sure everything is above board will help enormously with neighbourly relations. And a good relationship with your neighbour is worth its weight in gold.

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