WIBU to post this on every snitching or Covid judging thread?

[saraclara]

...because I really think that people should think before they run to the reporting website or make assumptions about their neighbours and community memebrs.

The poster details organisations it wants to you report the Police to, not your neighbours. Why do you think people should report the Police, saraclara?

Not got the froth thread you were hoping for, I think.

The UK has the most relaxed lockdown of all, and still some people manage to spoil it for everyone. And yet the Gov has been surprised by how compliant the public have been.

Erm... Sweden has more relaxed situation than us...

Sweden is not on a lockdown...

-all the national trusts that were originally free of access yes and nothing wrong with going for a walk - problem was everyone had the same idea - not exactly deliberately breaking the guidelines
-a couple of the local fields were originally opened but people took the piss. People had to call the police too many times, now they are closed. Same as National parks
-car parks. There are plenty of places here that you can access by car, and walk for miles after without seeing anyone. There were also opened originally, just saw another one closed from today because of some twats who decided to have a barbecue! Nothing wrong with having a BBQ - but not with a load of people - it the load of people in the same area that's the problem and it seems that for the most part this was not planned events
-shops that tried to stay opened for emergency purchases, closed because too many morons tried to pretend paint was an emergency purchase for example. we still have shops that sell paint in our town - they sell other stuff too and social distance.

You get very over-excited about what other people do, don't you? We go for a walk every evening - sometimes it's really busy, but we aren't breaking any laws or guidelines - it's just everyone has chosen to go out at the same time as us.
It's difficult for individuals to predict numbers occupying public spaces and the Gov or the National Trust had not considered that dynamic they had to introduce a further rules in popular areas. Had they given any thought to this, they'd have realised it was inevitable.

SarahTancredi

And yeah if I see stuff that looks dodgy amd someone potentially In danger I call it out even if I get told to fuck off by both parties involved.

But i wont be switching on people who dare be outside

Same. And I think that applies to a lot of us; we don’t turn the other way when someone needs help, but neither do we snitch

The poster just reads as anti police to me.

MogeatDog
Nothing wrong with having a BBQ
How is having a bbq remotely allowed in the current guidelines?

I am not very excited, I am privileged that I live in an area backing to fields or forrest, so I can spend as long as I want outside with my kids - and at the very worst we have a big garden if the country was really going in lockdown.
It's not people like me who suffer the most from the behaviour of selfish idiots.

How is having a bbq remotely allowed in the current guidelines?

How is it not?
In your own garden with people that you share a house with?

thejollygargler

we are not talking about a bbq in your own garden, we are talking about public spaces that had to close because people decided to have a bbq in them.

Having a bbq in a field, forrest or on a public beach is not remotely allowed right now.

You can do whatever you want in your own garden, as long as you are not a social nuisance for the neighbours, you can sunbathe, eat, or set up a tent and camp there.

What does it mean by they can be 'HARMED' if you call the police?

Nothing risky about having a BBQ with the people you live with...In a field in the middle of nowhere, still not risky....the problem arises with lots of people head to the same place, park in the same car park and struggle to keep social distancing rules.

Now given the Gov didn't even think about this scenario - how do you expect people to all think of it? It was inevitable - but the Gov didn't think it through - no biggy - no one else did either - this is a learning process - people were not being deliberate pricks!

Definitely agree about people thinking carefully before they challenge anyone but totally disagree with distributing this. On the whole the police are doing an amazing job and this communication isn't very professional.

@OneandTwenty

Well I did go back to check the post in case the quote you used had been taken out of context. This is the longer version

"..., just saw another one closed from today because of some twats who decided to have a barbecue!* Nothing wrong with having a BBQ - but not with a load of people - it the load of people in the same area that's the problem and it seems that for the most part this was not planned events"

The poster was clear that a BBQ in a public place with numerous people is not on and then clarified that BBQs per se are not prohibited.

You asked "How is having a bbq remotely allowed in the current guidelines?"

It is allowed if you are in your own garden and with people that you share a house with.

If you had asked "How is having a BBQ on public land with numerous people who are not from your household OK?" then you would have got a different answer.

This situation seems to polarise people- much like horrendously behaved kids. With kids people seem to fall in to two camps- they must have SEN don't judge, or they are devil spawn judge away. Similar with this- assume everyone has a really good reason, or start a neighbourhood gestapo.

@OneandTwenty, we are under stricter rules, because the governments original plan wasn't going to work. Where we are now, should have been done the end of February.

I wish people would educate themselves on why we have to stay in lock down, part of which is the lack of testing and of course no tracing going on.

Employers aren't being fined or threatened when they force employees to break the rules and the transport situation doesn't make sense.

People are dying because we aren't giving them oxygen therapy early enough. Medical Staff have died because our NHS has been run into the ground and our government decided to ignore the Virus, ignore offers of British producers to make PPE and took many other decisions on the basis of god knows what. They never want to do business in the UK, that's been made clear. They most definitely ignored the care homes.

The areas hit the worst all have been warned over the last year about air quality.

This situation was initially bought about by dangerous cultural practices that were warned, campaigned and petitioned about.

Not by someone wanting to wish their 70+ parent a happy birthday. Or someone needing to go out for good mental health.

Boris arselicking Trump put the top hat on this crisis.

How is having a bbq remotely allowed in the current guidelines?

I assume you mean inviting friends around for a bbq? Because we've had several bbqs since lockdown. Just us. Can't see how that's breaking any rules.

@MogeatDog

To be fair all the arguments you give are fairly silly. If you go to a park and it's already too crowded to observe social distancing you should leave otherwise you're flouting rules and the park will be shut down.

”The sheer number of posts on mn about reporting people to ss/for benefit fraud/bullies of their children to schools...”^

This detail jumped out at me, @Reginabambina - do you think it is wrong for a parent to report their child being bullied to the school (always assuming that is where it is happening)? Also, if you know that a child or a vulnerable person is being neglected or harmed, why wouldn’t you report it to Social Services?

I have an acquaintance on fb who moans about people everyday, todays whinge was the fact that over a dozen children are playing together in the school playground and "where are their parents"

Someone has just commented that the children of key workers are still at school and therefore their parents will be at work. So I'm now waiting to see if he deletes his whinge or finds a way of justifying his moaning 😁

@HandfulofDust Maybe the park wasn't busy when you got there - at some point you might decide that it had got suddenly busy - you couldn't leave immediately - you'd have to walk back to your car. Would be the first time we went to a local forest early in the morning and within an hour it was packed and this was before lockdown - before you start shouting at me!
Assuming people are being dicks, all the time, must be hard work..all that anger can't be healthy!

@MogeatDog Obviously if the park became busy then people continued to enter the park after it was at ful capacity. People should have noticed and left earlier than they might have liked to to allow more people to enter or if it was too full people shouldn't have continue to flood in. I don't think people are necessarily being dicks but it's certainly avoidable if people applied a bit of sense and caution.

Today 17:05 happinessischocolate

.....todays whinge was the fact that over a dozen children are playing together in the school playground and "where are their parents"

Mad isn’t it. I work in a school and we’ve been reported/had police turn up twice because a nosy neighbour called them saying there are kids in playground... all 8 of them

A young women in my area is an abusive relationship and cannot leave for many complicated reasons. Her safest bet would be leaving once lockdown is lifted as she was about to literally the day after lockdown and go abroad to her family. She takes a walk every day with her young child in a buggy and sits on a park bench to call her family, get some respite and call friends and organisations who are helping her. She has been videotaped and reported to the police on a daily basis. Even when the police have urged the public to leave her alone, everyday someone harasses her. She was even threatened with violence by an overzealous neighbour. People dont even realise the more they make a fuss over her, she explains her circumstances or the police urge caution and it endangers her as if her partner becomes aware of people talking about her she will be in trouble for mentioning it. Home is not safe for everyone. Please think twice before randomly reporting people.

This poster isn't on the side of vulnerable people or volunteers. It's anti police. Suggesting the police will harm people who are out, and asking people to report the police to random monitoring twitters.

I agree that plenty of people have legitimate business to be out and you shouldn't harass people about it, they don't owe you an explanation. But that's not what this poster is saying.