40 phone masts now destroyed, many not even 5G

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I'm finding this unbelievable!

Apparently some of the masts serviced hospitals. If these knobheads continue I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see network outtages.

@PaperFlowers4 good one, you nearly had me going there

I'm seeing a perfectly sane educated person slowly getting on the anti 5g/Bill Gates bandwagon

It's quite scary to watch

It's usually bearded hipsters that start these rumours. don't be so fucking stupid.

@PaperFlowers4 you are posting on an internet forum and to get your post on here at some point you are being over exposed to waves, which you consider dangerous

I’m not trying to avoid all exposure. It’s about limiting it where I can. Just like I will drink alcohol every now and again even though it’s a quite literally a poison from the liver’s perspective. Turning off the router at night is barely even an inconvenience, so I don’t see why I wouldn’t/shouldn’t ... except that it makes people sneer at me on Mumsnet

For all those giggling at me, the reason why I even have any concerns in the first place dates back to a conversation I had with a fertility doctor, who casually mentioned that if I wanted to get pregnant any time soon I should make sure my husband keeps his phone out of his front pocket and away from his testicles, so optimal spermatogenesis could resume. This doctor was in no way woo or a conspiracy nut but rather a very straight-laced conservative medical type. I was so blown away by this idea that I started looking it up online, and found enough peer reviewed studies published in proper journals about this stuff that I have taken it seriously ever since. Not seriously enough that I’m going to go live on mountain somewhere in the middle of nowhere to avoid mobile phone signals entirely though.

Huawei published an open letter to the government a few days ago

""During this pandemic our engineers – designated 'essential' workers – are striving around the clock to keep Britain connected,... there are those who choose to continue to attack us without presenting any evidence. Disrupting our involvement in the 5G rollout would do Britain a disservice."

"Disrupting our involvement in the 5G rollout would do Britain a disservice." - that does sound like a veiled threat. I don't think covid19 has anything to do with 5g, just to be clear. But this very well could be about geopolitical power and control.

The are at least a million muslims in Chinese prisoner of war and/or death camps in the West of China.

So I wouldn't be shocked by a few burned masts here. 🤷‍♀️

How do these people explain the COVID19 cases and deaths in the about 113 countries who have no 5G technology?

@PaperFlowers4 The joke has got to be that you think there is a risk to your health from using your phone, but you are more concerned about the damage it is doing in sat in your pocket than when it’s up by your head when you are using it maybe the damage is already done.

What these people don't realise is that ALL phone signals can transmit the Corvid-19 virus.
The only way to stay safe is to clean their phone at least twice a day. Cleaning to be done by putting phone in microwave, on high power, for 90 seconds.
Doing this will keep them safe and healthy.

@lotsworld

I never use my phone against my head, I only ever talk on speaker phone since becoming concerned about it.

On that note, under “legal and regulatory” in the iPhone settings, apple actually says “to reduce exposure to RF energy, use a hands free option such as the built in speakerphone etc”. That’s a direct quote. The manufacturers are literally advising us to not use it right up against our heads.

How do these people explain the COVID19 cases and deaths in the about 113 countries who have no 5G technology

Well that's all part of the plan to put people off the scent, obviously.

the reason why I even have any concerns in the first place dates back to a conversation I had with a fertility doctor, who casually mentioned that if I wanted to get pregnant any time soon I should make sure my husband keeps his phone out of his front pocket and away from his testicles

This is to do with keeping the testicles cool rather than anything to do with phone waves making you infertile. Hot balls don't produce as much optimal sperm as cool ones. When DH and I were patients at the fertility clinic twelve years ago it was given as interim advice back then too along with avoiding prolonged use of hot tubs/saunas/jacuzzis and wearing loose fitting boxers rather than tight briefs. Research has shown there is no statistically significant link between carrying a phone in your pocket and sperm production.

There is also no good evidence that mobile phones cause cancer or increase the risk of cancer, the bit about using an earpiece and avoid holding it next to your head for prolonged periods is a case of corporate arse-covering just in case. It's s a hangover from the late 90s when mobile phones really took off and people had wild conspiracy theories about how they were secretly posing us via the phone masts....

*posing = poisoning

I was a member of a group on Facebook for Londoners and one guy started spouting this nonsense. I asked for evidence that 5G spread COVID19 and he said "well people are burning them down." I took him that was evidence that people were stupid, not that 5G spread coronavirus. He started becoming antsy with me. This was the second incident in this group where I've had rows with people. The other was some woman had posted a video of a park where people were apparently ignoring the guidelines. There was hardly anyone in the park and most appeared to be socially distancing. But she was like "look, people playing football" (it was a man kicking a ball with his kids, so, you know, exercising), someone you couldn't see in the video "doing a workout" (so, you know, exercising) and the piece de resistance was when she pointed the camera at "look, the foreigners". Three men who did look as if they were standing apart, talking in possibly Polish. Even if they weren't the required 2 metres apart they could have been housemates or brothers. By her reckoning, "foreigners" aren't allowed the permitted exercise period.

The whole group just seemed to full of stupid people, and you can't argue with stupid.

The main reason I left was because I couldn't guarantee I'd end up saying something I regretted. I'm a nurse and I have to abide by the NMC code of conduct, even on social media, and I didn't want to put temptation in my way!

Oh yeah, the guy that was sprouting the nonsense about 5G had pics on his page of the Kray twins grave. Nice.

People are destroying phone masts?! No wonder I can’t get any signal!

Your phone will use power proportional to its distance from a tower, of it has to connect to a mast 5 miles away it will use more power and get warmer doing it than one a mile away. So actually having masts close by would mean less power from the devices in your own hands.

The problem here is while people are entitled to have their own health concerns, however baseless, cell towers are part of our critical infrastructure.
All emergency services rent space on these towers for their radio network, and if they aren’t connected they can’t operate - ambulances, police cars, paramedics, first responders all need rf communication.

See in the news how amazon donated tablets so people in isolation could FaceTime their loved ones (sometimes for the last time) - hospitals don’t have good signal, especially in the middle of these buildings, telecoms companies have been putting in 4g routers to provide Internet where there is none.

Covid testing done in car parks - needs Internet and is be connected via 4g, I could go on and on.

I disagree that these people damaging masts should be first in line for vaccine testing, they should be the last.

Among the many resets and improvements that some of us have said we would like to see as a result of this, can we find space to call for an immediate stop on all these shite trivial empty headed celebrity-led reality TV shite, and more emphasis back on science-led and information programmes.

Bread and circuses doesn’t work. Never mind sitting back in comfortable homes and whining that people are not employable and contribute nothing, give them the chance to and make them useful!

The initial reports of the reasoning behind this conspiracy theory were out by a mile, in a clear indication of a total communication breakdown.

@PaperFlowers4 men were also later advised not to put laptops directly on their laps for the same reason.

A full, wide open and thorough into the health concerns around mobile tech radiation, instead of simple dismissal might be a good start. And it would need to be communicated everywhere without prevarication or sneering or patronising, fully setting local concerns into wider contexts.

@Cailleachian, people might not be travelling. There's numerous fb and sm pages that are devoted to this stuff.
It's like saying that women are to blame for the breakdown of families because of all the support and membership, that men's justice/rights groups have thanks to Social media and a few stunts.

We had mast burning locally and it's been local people arrested all with the same group memberships in common.

The people who spout the 5g conspiracies tend to be big drug users and devoid of critical thinking. They look for confirmation bias and dismiss any science based comebacks. They often don't even believe that people are dying in hospitals. They declare it all fake news and now Trump is a legand and really knows what's going on.

@PicsInRed

What do the Uygur camps have to do with people burning 5g masts down?

They often don't even believe that people are dying in hospitals
Or sometimes don't even know what they believe

These people cannot be argued with. These people have the defence line 'you are closed minded and a sheep'

This email was to my ex. We have a daughter together. He is extremely vulnerable due to ill health with kidney failure. He is not shielding. He should be though!

He is a conspiracy theorist.
The email he sent is in response to me picking flaws is what he was telling me.
My response was
'What? 2 emails ago you told me the virus was from some masts and created by the government in order to control us all by forcing vaccinations in the future and imprisoning us in our own homes. Then the email just, you are telling me there is no virus and the illness is created in the mind as we have all become statistic mad! And louise haye book says that flu is caused by that?
A few weeks ago you said it was created in a lab!

So basically you are so desperate to prove there is some big conspiracy that you are bringing 3 ideologies together that totally contradict each other! That's great, enjoy that. I am staying home with our daughter to keep us all safe. I am not totally sure what you want me to do with the crazy information you are giving me. All i do know is u need to stop communicating this crap to Xxxxxx as she hates it and is finding this time away from you hard enough!'

His reply? You have to be reasonably intelligent to realise you know very little

FFS grow a brain!

Yep. There is no arguing with these people. Masts are still going to get destroyed and it is absolutely disgusting!

What do the Uygur camps have to do with people burning 5g masts down?

I was addressing the tacit threat made around the Huawei deal. Given China is know to have at least a million illegal POWs and is known to have committed crimes whilst pretending to be protestors in Hong Kong - I wouldnt put too much stock in anything else they say and would a critical eye on events, until arrests are made.

Again. 5G has nothing to do with COVID19.

Who are the people doing this? It’s mindboggling.

This article by the Mail throws some light on some of the people involved in promoting conspiracy theories re 5G

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211171/Exposed-conspiracy-theorists-claim-coronavirus-linked-5G.html

The ITNJ is one of the main promoters and these conspiraloons also promote conspiracy theories about satanic ritual abuse and VIP paedophile rings. They are anti-vaxxers and promote drinking Miracle Mineral Soultion (MMS - actually diluted bleach) as a cure for autism. Also promoted are freemen on the land / sovereign citizen insanity, various cryptocurrency investment opportunities and Swissindo a bizarre Indonesian debt forgiveness cult run by a meglomaniac who is threatening to destroy his enemies with nuclear weapons.

Possibly the most perculiar and concerning person to attend the ITNJ in his official capacity is the Thames Valley Police Crime Commissioner Anthony Stansfeld.

Quite why a serving PCC would attend a pantomime fake judicial commission, compromising of conspiraloons, mountebanks and grifters is anyone's guess.

One might have imagined that, as a PCC, Stansfeld would have been concerned with issues around the law and law enforcement and would have not become involved in a dodgy network of conspiraloons promoting the freemen on the land / sovereign citizen nonsense that posits that the laws of the land are invalid and oppressive and that citizens do not need to obey laws if they do not suit them.

Various FotL and Sovereign Citizen groups have been involved in serious criminal acts and conspiracies including terrorism.

links for further reading

critical pieces on the ITNJ

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200419103557/hoaxteadresearch.wordpress.com/tag/itnj/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200419103557/hoaxteadresearch.wordpress.com/tag/itnj/

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200419103955/eusa-riddled.blogspot.com/2018/04/all-my-whats-are-fucked.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200419103955/eusa-riddled.blogspot.com/2018/04/all-my-whats-are-fucked.html

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some fascinating links about Thames Valley PCC Anthony Stansfeld

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18049792.pcc-anthony-stansfeld-used-work-email-warn-man-computer-hard-drives/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2323088/85-000-crime-tsar-used-sham-office-hike-expenses-6-000-cent-hes-Police-Commissioner-hire-chauffeur-drive-work.html

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18055359.pcc-anthony-stansfeld-defends-use-work-email-warn-man-hard-drives/

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18245187.complaint-pcc-anthony-stansfeld-discussed-march/

There are zillions of deeply unpleasant rabbit holes eminating from the ITNJ, its founder Sacha Stone and his various grifter associates.

anyone that bothered either won't have a mobile phone (they are not essential) or will have a small talk and text job for emergencies only, that they can carry switched off in a pocket.

conspiracy theorists are oxygen thieves at the best of times. Conspiracy theorists that use smart bricks are even more laughable.