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Fruit picking Jobs

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billysboy · 18/04/2020 09:37

With so many Fruit Picking Jobs available aibu to think that a few of the people already in this country would want to take them up

It feels as if we are paying 1m to stay at home rather than take up this work
Its hard work no doubt but also pays £10-15 an hour is it beneath too many people?

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Rosehip10 · 18/04/2020 19:26

@JKScot4 It's now £57.40 per week. So just under £250 per month off your wage. Believe me farmers get a good deal with this - people stuffed into old caravans and on bunks in portacabins. There is often inadequate washing and cooking facilities for the amount of workers. As workers are on site there can be much more "flexibility" in terms of start times etc.

People from countries like Romania do this as the "season" enables them to live reasonably well back home.

Worldpeace123 · 18/04/2020 19:27

Immigrants taking our jobs- Confused

Rosehip10 · 18/04/2020 19:32

@EdwinaMay Are you a fruit farmer by any chance?! The gangmaster and/or farm owners put huge pressure on to workers to meet picking targets (which then give minimum wage) - you would not be retained if you did not pick minimum wage amounts of fruit and the workers are reminded of this and there is a "plenty more want your job" culture.

The accommodation is not great either and a good deal for farmers - four people in an old caravan can be charged £1000 as a group. A common complaint is the shortage of cooking/washing facilities for the amount of workers on site - fancy doing 12/13 hr in the field then having to wait in a long queue for a turn in the showers or kitchen?

HeIenaDove · 18/04/2020 20:05

British workers reject fruit-picking jobs as Romanians flown in
Contract length, farm location and caring duties cited as reasons for turning down work

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Romanian workers tend to the berry crop on Tayside near Dundee. Recruitment firms say fewer than 20% of UK applicants were willing or able to take up roles on farms. Photograph: Murdo MacLeod/The Guardian
Thousands of British workers who responded to a nationwide appeal to help pick fruit and vegetables on farms have rejected job offers, it has emerged.

As hundreds of workers are being flown in from Romania to pick lettuce and asparagus, specialist recruitment firms revealed that fewer than 20% of the applicants were either willing or able to take up roles on the farms.

The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers said it had received 36,000 applications of interest but only 6,000 had opted for an interview for a role.

Concordia, one of the three recruitment companies in the alliance, said: “To date 900 people have explicitly rejected the roles we have offered and 112 have taken up our offer of a role on a UK farm.”

It said the main barriers were the LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT location of the farm, and inability to work full-time because of care responsibilities

Another recruitment firm in the alliance, Hops, said only 9% of those who had completed the recruitment process were eligible for the job.

Some are saying they cannot commit to 40 hours a week, some can only commit for a few weeks whereas some roles can be full time for eight weeks and some can be up to six months said Sarah Boparan, the operations director at Hops.

She said that even though they were not able to hire all who applied, she felt there was an education process under way about farm work that could have a lasting impact after Brexit, when Conservative party plans will put a block on low-paid and low-skilled workers coming to the UK from abroad.

“We are so pleased to see so many people apply and so thankful they have responded to the call to support agriculture in this country and we appreciate their patience as some of the crops are not yet ready and new offers will be going out,” she said, adding that peak recruitment would not really start till the end of May for most farms.

Several people who said they had responded to the government-backed appeal complained about the barriers to taking up the posts, particularly the on-site accommodation.

One man who contacted the Guardian, who lives in Norfolk and wanted to commute to a job locally, where there are many farms, said: “Some of the jobs require you to live on-site It doesn’t make it easy at all If we really need to be picking all these vegetables, they don’t make it very easy. I can’t move; I have a family.”

Gary Leshone, 35, who used to work in fishing in Grimsby, launched his own personal recruitment drive when the national Feed the Nation appeal, backed by the environment secretary, George Eustice, was launched three weeks ago.

He managed to get 150 volunteers who were willing to cross the country to Herefordshire and to live on-site for six months.

“I contacted farmers individually and initially I was told by one farmer he’d take as many workers as he could get, so I went on radio and social media and got 150 people. I know I could probably find 1,000 to 2,000 here because people are out of work.”

He was then told by the farmer that he needed a gangmaster’s licence if he was going to place that many workers on the market, which he was told would take 10 weeks to obtain.

“By that time the fruit and veg will have rotted and the borders will probably be reopened,” he said.

Underlining the confused messaging surrounding the sudden recruitment drive, Hops pointed out that the Gangmaster and Labour Abuse Authority was doing checks and handing out gangmaster licences within five days because of the crisis.

“The Romanians coming in are just like us, looking for work to feed their families themselves, but if they need 90,000 people and you have all these British people unemployed and the government has to pay out universal credit, it’s just ridiculous. The government should do more to sort this out,” said Leshone.

Recruiters appealed for patience among British hopefuls, pointing out that the peak season started from May and there would be “thousands of roles available for people who are in need of a job”.

There was controversy in Romania after photographs emerged of crowds gathering in regional airports for flights to Germany, which, like the UK, is also suffering a labour deficit. Questions are being asked in Romania as to how workers could leave to help ease other countries’ demand for fresh food when much of Romania is in strict lockdown.

G’s Fresh, one of the UK’s biggest salad growers, which has chartered two of the six planes from Bucharest, said it had recruited 500 British workers so far.

“We’re really pleased with how the recruitment campaign is going, but it is important that we have got these people from Romania. These are key skilled workers who were with us last year. We need experienced people who can make sure everyone is safe and knows what to do,” Beverley Dixon, the company’s HR director, told Eastern Daily Press.

Romanian workers travelling to the UK were given masks and sanitiser before boarding and would be be quarantined in small teams before full deployment, G’s Fresh said

HeIenaDove · 18/04/2020 20:11

42 days is the maximum amount of time a tenant is allowed to be away from their home before they are at risk of losing their tenancy. (social housing tenancies)

On the main Coronavirus thread a poster mentioned that her elderly mum came to stay with her for three weeks and nearly lost her bungalow!!

And with the many already proven incidents of people reporting their neighbours for going out too many times in this pandemic you can bet a nosy neighbour would report a HA flat/house as abandoned if a SH tenant even ^attempted to live away to do this work!!!

borntobequiet · 18/04/2020 20:30

Shifts start early because it’s summer and it gets light early. Shifts are long because it’s summer and it gets dark late.
It’s not hard to work out.

firstmentat · 18/04/2020 20:36

It is back breaking labour, not standard hours (berry picking often starts at 3 am to finish by noon, mushroom picking is around the clock - few hours off and the mushrooms are no longer marketable), and the pay is docked if you have not fulfilled a certain norm (which around 30% of "experienced" and fit pickers are not making, by the way), very basic accommodation on site (cost of which is not only deducted from your wage, but also you could easily lose "deposit" for it if there was an imaginary damage to the shed or caravan.)

We had this discussion recently in the diaspora facebook group, with many people there coming to the UK initially to pick fruit (and later becoming doctors, nurses, teachers etc). No one is really nostalgic for those times, and many of them realise now that it was often quite abusive and exploitative.

TheLadyAnneNeville · 18/04/2020 20:43

I think it’s hilarious that so much of Brexit was based on Take Back Control. British jobs for British Workers.

And where are those workers now?

You reap what you sow.

MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 18/04/2020 20:59

The article's title quoted by @HeIenaDove is so misleading, because it clearly states, as you quoted, that a lot of people would be een, but would rpefer to commute instead of living in on the farm away from theri families, and that the famring industry is very rigid and needs to also adapt.

ThePrettyOneX · 18/04/2020 21:04

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maginachevalier · 18/04/2020 21:11

Where can I apply ?

firstmentat · 18/04/2020 21:20

Maybe we could actively choose fruit farms when we buy our fruit that are open and good practice in this regard?
I used to buy my weekly veg box from one of the well known ethical-organic farm chains right until the owner decided to distribute his views in a newsletter format.
In one such newsletter, he mulled over why Eastern Europeans on his farms seem to be happy to live in a very basic accommodation, work hard and never complain. He concluded it must be some sort of internal hardiness developed through poverty that makes them better suited to the hard farm labour. You know, like some sort of draught animals, perhaps. All commentaries on the blog from middle-class customers were "awwww... how sweet of you to think of these people, let us know what we can do for them". At no point had anyone suspected that "these people" could be... you know... clients, not only silent labour behind the scenes.
Now, had he written something like this about any other ethnic group, people would probably be outraged.

squiglet111 · 18/04/2020 21:25

I have applied but haven't heard anything back.

My husband is now working from home so could look after the kids.

I was prepared to stay onsite in their accomodation but didn't realise you had to pay to do that!

So second thoughts I probably won't bother if you have to pay to stay there, if I hear anything back!

Devlesko · 18/04/2020 21:32

I know many, myself included, who would do this, and we'd love it.
Problem is we're not allowed to you see.
Blame the government for their most recent racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing.
Look at the Channel 4 programme last night and change the word gypsy or traveller to Black, Asian, Gay, disabled, etc.
Even during a pandemic politics is still able to do this, and to the detriment of society.
Channel 4 may you rot in hell, I really hope you are found guilty of racism.

DrMaryMalone · 18/04/2020 21:59

I’ve not read the full thread but this is the exact area I work in so I feel I should make a couple of points (in no particular order!)

In Scotland most farmers pay to the Scot government agricultural wages order rates which are published every April. For the last few years the minimum wage for any farm worker has been the equivalent of the national living wage for those over 25. So an 18 year old farm worker is on £8.72 an hour - compare that to hourly rate of someone that age working in retail or hospitality. There can also be top ups with piece work and bonuses. Holidays are accrued and pension paid unless staff opt out. Thanks to the supermarkets, HSE and various initiatives like the ETI base code, Red Tractor audits etc. it is all now much more professional and regulated than the days when mum on the dole with 2 kids in tow could hop on a minibus for a days picking on and off cash in hand throughout the season.

Because of the narrow profit margins thanks to supermarkets wanting to sell broccoli at 50p a head staff have to be productive and in recent years that has meant sourcing them from abroad. Local staff were given a chance but would regularly not last the first week and just not turn up. Or walk off the field if it rained. The changes to benefits also made it harder to take a seasonal job and go straight back to benefits afterwards. It makes sense to have a dedicated on site staff bank who can be trained together & transported together to cut down on both costs and time. They essentially become a small community. This is going to obviously be a lot harder with social distancing and makes my job more difficult! In terms of accommodation up here farmers are allowed to deduct a maximum of £7 a day for accommodation which is usually caravans but can be dormitory rooms or shared cottages. Again there are many regulations around these and they are inspected by various bodies including local councils, SMETA auditors and supermarket managers to make sure accommodation is suitable and of the required standard.

Without foreign staff the farms I deal with simply could not operate. There are skilled locals in some supervising roles, tractor driving or admin jobs but the bulk of the 2000 strong planting and picking squads are Eastern European. Some have been returning to the same farms for 6 months of every year for many years now. What we did find last year was a drop in the number of new applicants for a number of reasons including better living conditions in their home country and negativity around their presence in the UK stoked by Brexit media.

Anyway I have gone on long enough but the combination of Brexit and CV-19 on fresh fruit and veg grown in the UK is going to be massive and I can only hope that anyone working at this time to keep those products in our shelves is appreciated not only now but in the future. If anyone wants to ask me any questions I would be happy to answer them.

Justmuddlingalong · 18/04/2020 22:14

I know a gangmaster who provides the farmers with groups of pickers. He takes a percentage of each pickers wage. Leaving them less than the NMW. This is in Scotland too.

Devlesko · 18/04/2020 22:15

Without foreign staff the farms I deal with simply could not operate

This is true, due to current laws. However if you know anything about The Romany in Britain these were our jobs that we were forced out of.
It wasn't by our Eastern European Roma cousins, nor the conditions, including pay. The way of life suited our culture.
The only reason is government and the way they treat us, the policies and laws set to discriminate, born out of prejudice.
I'm surprised the Eastern Europeans are returning after the racism they were subjected to here.

DrMaryMalone · 18/04/2020 22:21

Justmuddlingalong then what he is doing is illegal. That is reason that farms supplying directly to supermarkets are audited regularly to make sure they are using only GLAA licenced agencies and why such farmers now tend to have it in their agency agreements that staff are paid directly wherever possible.

Graphista · 18/04/2020 22:31

Ohhh lets see...

Physically demanding work that can wreck your physical health for poor pay.

As pp said those on benefits are understandably reluctant to take on temporary work as it royally fucks up your income for months even years

People who aren't working and are at home furloughed may well have caring responsibilities for others, in some cases where they wouldn't normally

Their current employment contract won't allow it...

Loads of reasons

I've done it when I was younger and much fitter. It's utterly back breaking work (You don't just bumble along at your own pace like at a PYO, there's a rate you have to manage AND you need the knowledge/training/aptitude to know which items are ready to be picked, pick too much that's not yet ready and certainly back then your pay was docked! And you'd get a bollocking! Ditto if you left items that were ready and they became over ripe, AND some items can be difficult/tricky to pick, lots of scratches and cuts and unless a very bad cut you were expected to just crack on regardless, barely stopping to put a plaster on!) and the pay and conditions (£10-15 ph my arse!!) are shit and I hear they're worse than they were then (over 20 years ago).

But yes the problem isn't just the farmers it's govt & population being unwilling to support decent costs for these products.

Finally, our inflexible benefits system.

People, i suspect including op who have little to no experience of the benefits system have no idea how rigid and overly bureaucratic it is.

only to then have a five week wait to get back on it at the other end

Even you Maxnormal seem out of the loop. 5 weeks is the MINIMUM wait period, even before all this kicked off there were people all over the country waiting several months for their first UC payment, let alone additional benefits they may be entitled to. In addition the dwp are receiving 10-20 TIMES as many claims as usual and they absolutely do not have the manpower or infrastructure to cope nowhere close! I have 2 in my circle who work for dwp and they're absolutely snowed under. This will merely be adding to their backlog. And the same will happen at the other end when people return to work - cancelling claims also requires considerably manpower & infrastructure.

Not helped by the fact their IT systems are "out of the fucking dark ages! Barely newer than dial up" - a direct quote from 1 of the aforementioned workers who is fairly senior in the dept.

System crashes are a frequent regular occurrence under normal circumstances.

@CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate you're also correct though, until wages, even benefits are higher and housing prices lower so people can AFFORD to pay more for food it'll continue being a vicious circle.

People on lower incomes spend back into the economy.

single with ferrets 

@bogoffmda I've done this work, I also went on to become a nurse. This work is far more demanding physically and far worse paid.

Justmuddlingalong · 18/04/2020 22:31

I know it's illegal. But it's still going on. By the time he's taken his share and the pickers have paid for accommodation, they're left with buttons.

DrMaryMalone · 18/04/2020 22:35

Report him then... what he is doing is slave labour.

www.gla.gov.uk/report-issues/english-report-form/

DrMaryMalone · 18/04/2020 22:37

While it only mentions England and Wales on the form they do still cover Scotland but will involve the police here to do the criminal side of things.

Namechange4nowt45 · 18/04/2020 22:37

@billysboy why dont you volunteer?

Justmuddlingalong · 18/04/2020 22:38

He's been reported umpteen times. Constantly in the papers, for this and other unsavoury business dealings. Nothing changes.