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Yr11/13 parents take a look at the sneakiness

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lifecouldbeadream · 17/04/2020 16:42

The Consultation on how the GCSE and A level grades for this cohort has been released....... very quietly.

Consultation ends 29/04.

You can see the proposal here...... and it appears it includes SATs grades...... yes really......

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/exceptional-arrangements-for-exam-grading-and-assessment-in-2020

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ihearttc · 18/04/2020 13:18

As I have DS1 in Year 10, just thinking about whether there is a way of knowing what their cohort is likely to be more or less able (I mean from the SATs data overall).

Just thinking if we find ourselves in exactly the same position next year...

CostaRicaCoffee · 18/04/2020 13:21

I wonder if there could be a way of monitoring whether companies are discriminating against this year's exam groups. (By only taking on kids from other years)

TeenPlusTwenties · 18/04/2020 13:44

ihearttc The problem with the current y10s (I have one myself) is they were the first year of the new style SATs, so their results are in a different format from previous years...

ihearttc · 18/04/2020 13:45

Ah yes of course they were...I forgot about that. So their data will be different anyway.

noblegiraffe · 18/04/2020 13:49

whether there is a way of knowing what their cohort is likely to be more or less able

A lot will be riding on whether the National Reference Tests can go ahead as normal next March.

titchy · 18/04/2020 13:51

if your DD was predicted ABB previously, then it seems unlikely that the school will predict her lower for the DfE.

Actually noble as the vast majority of UCAS predicted grades are higher than the students actually achieve, they SHOULD be predicting lower all round...

noblegiraffe · 18/04/2020 13:56

Ah titchy the grades that we predict for UCAS (done around September!) are not the same as the predicted grades our Y13 got on their most recent reports.

I’d be surprised if the kids hadn’t had updated predicted grades since UCAS.

MillicentMartha · 18/04/2020 13:56

God, if they just got their UCAS predicted grades all the higher rated unis would be full to bursting and the lower ones in financial ruin.

MillicentMartha · 18/04/2020 13:58

I see what you mean Noble. Our school call those their ‘on course for’ grades.

TeenPlusTwenties · 18/04/2020 14:00

I've always got the impression that A level grades for UCAS are always on the optimistic side? eg if they are B but could get A on a good day they'll be predicted an A, but maybe 75% will actually get the B iyswim?

So not at all the same as what the teacher thinks the student will actually get.

TheTeenageYears · 18/04/2020 14:09

We live abroad so Y11 DD doing iGCSE's. I was told before schools closed that when a student is formally entered into an exams series the school have to give a predicted grade in case of not being able to sit exams etc. I presume this would have to be realistic and could be moderated if required and this is not what will be used to grade the entire cohort. Does anyone know if this is also the case in the UK for GCSE's? If it is then it would be interesting for schools to look back over the last x number of years and see how the predicted grade and actual exam grade compare. Schools would therefore be able to say in the last x years we have predicted grades correctly in x % of cases. I think it would be great to know how accurately the school have been historically at predicting grades.

titchy · 18/04/2020 14:12

I've always got the impression that A level grades for UCAS are always on the optimistic side?

They are! If a mere 17% of grades awarded are the same as UCAS predictions then the process will be a success. Although it won't feel like it to a lot.

Thanks for clarifying noble - yes of course more recent predicted grades should be a better indication.

MsJaneAusten · 18/04/2020 14:29

We live abroad so Y11 DD doing iGCSE's. I was told before schools closed that when a student is formally entered into an exams series the school have to give a predicted grade in case of not being able to sit exams etc.

We used to have to do this @TheTeenageYears but now I’m simply asked to confirm entry, not to put forward a grade. I’m not sure when or why that changed - maybe when GCSEs were reformed?

Hercwasonaroll · 18/04/2020 14:31

I was told before schools closed that when a student is formally entered into an exams series the school have to give a predicted grade in case of not being able to sit exams etc.

Doesn't happen in my school (academy in England).

Piggywaspushed · 18/04/2020 14:47

It changed in 2012 I believe although there were still some exceptions up to 2015.

WombatChocolate · 18/04/2020 14:53

The predicted grade given at the end of Yr12 for UCAS is very different to the expected grade that teachers will have to issue in May.

Teachers won't be able to give anywhere near most students their UCAS predicted grades...or if they do, they will be downgraded. This is because rightly, school's prior attainment will be looked at over several years, along with the cohort's ability level and grades will be issued on the basis of that. Those UCAS grades would give a far more optimistic set of results. They never accurately reflect what students actually achieve and cannot this year either, as otherwise this year's cohort would have grades far in excess of earlier years, and parity needs to be maintained to keep confidence in the system.

The poster upthread who spoke about her firm not planning to trust grades issued this year, shows the fact that some people don't realise that the pattern of grades will be relfelctive of previous years and for individuals very similar to the grades they would have achieved if they had sat exams. Given the inaccuracies in exam setting, marking, moderation and boundary setting it may well be that the grass issued this year actually are more reflective of students' ability than under the usual system!

As I said before, the problem will be that many students and parents will feel a stronger sense of disappointment this year. Every year, most students perform less well than their UCAS predictions. When they get their results, many have already had a sense that their exam didn't go as well as it might have and at least when the results come they are a disappointment traced back to the exam they sat. Parents and students this year won't have that sense and perhaps be hoping even more for the UCAS predictions, not fully realising just how optimistic these are - and so more disappointed,mespeciallybearlespecially they will feel these grades are foisted on them by what might feel like an arbitrary and unfair system. It's certainly a good excuse for any parents or students to use to explain why the grades weren't what had been hoped for.

Fortunately, for most the disappointment will be short lived. Many will did their first choice Uni takes them anyway (probably Unis will be enabled to take more this year) or they find a place at their 2nd choice or in Clearing, as always happens, so that by October (or when Unis can actually start this year) most students have a place and happily go off to the next stage of life, leaving A Levels behind. And later when they apply for jobs, they will have a degree as well as A Levels which hold full value with firms. Within a year or 2, no firm will distinguish students who sat A Levels in this year to any other and the grades really will have full parity with any ever sat (or not sat). The students from this year really won't be disadvantaged.

For example, which employers now could look at a CV and say which applicants over 30 sat exams in different phases of exam reform - they really couldn't.

It's funny isn't it, that no-one comes on these threads to say they think they child might be advantaged by this system....that somehow their SATs results were better than deserved, or they out-performed themselves in their mocks and so the school will give them better than they really deserve. It's all people whose children have SAts or mocks results which don't reflect their true ability - and are exactly the students who come the exams,Mir they had sat them, would have found they most likely achieved less than their overly generous UCAS prediction. But they too get uni places and head off into the future and move beyond A Levels.

The gov will work very hard to ensure this cohort are able to move forward and not get bogged down by what has happened.

The thing that I think will be a genuine learning issue for both the Yr 11 and Yr13 students, is the revision, consolidation and big progress achieved during March, April and May revision, which will be missing this year. They will start their A Levels or degrees from a weaker point than those who have gone through the preparation and exam process of previous years. It will be a bigger leap to the next stage of education, especially for weaker ones. And probably more weaker ones will be let through to the next phase this year. I guess the teachers and lecturers will just have to deal with that in the next phase of education.

Ilovethebeach89 · 18/04/2020 15:22

Can someone please just clarify the ranking for me please. Does it mean say the teacher grades my dd a 6, they have to say whether it's a 6 nearly 7 or just scraped a 6? Then back it up with other proof then an examiner will make a final decision?

titchy · 18/04/2020 15:27

If she's graded a 6, and another 25 kids in the school are also graded a 6, she will be ranked from 1 (top of all those in the 6 band) to 26 (bottom of all those awarded a 6).

TeenPlusTwenties · 18/04/2020 15:34

Ilove Following on from titchy : … and then if the exam boards think they have over or under graded and move the grade lines, those at the top or bottom of the ranking order will have their grades adjusted first.

Ellmau · 18/04/2020 15:58

God, if they just got their UCAS predicted grades all the higher rated unis would be full to bursting and the lower ones in financial ruin.

That was my initial concern, and is also exactly why they are going to moderate the results according to schools' past performance and cohort ability as shown by earlier grades.

Ilovethebeach89 · 18/04/2020 23:19

Ok got it thanks. Fingers crossed for all!!

ChippyMinton · 19/04/2020 09:27

Can anyone link to data proving the link between UCAS predicted grades and achieved grades please?
A mere 17% of predicted grades are achieved? Really?

ChloeDecker · 19/04/2020 10:56

ChippyMinton

Look at the graphs:

www.ucas.com/file/292726/download?token=wswAnzge

ZandathePanda · 19/04/2020 12:15

Chloe that’s really interesting. Thrown into that mix is the fact that was the first year of many of the new A Levels. Dds school had a thing about predicting A* - they didn’t tend to unless it was needed (Oxbridge etc) which looks like it’s born out by that data and might be a common thing.

Piggywaspushed · 19/04/2020 12:51

It is still massively flawed to equate UCAS predictions with actual final A Level predictions though. there are too many variables : optimism, begging, emotional blackmail, the desire to give students a fighting chance etc. they are not actual predictions.

It makes me cross that Ofqual are using the, as a statistical base for assertions . And that no other research has ever been funded!

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