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To think that neighbour was very rude?

81 replies

LonelyInLockdown · 16/04/2020 11:16

Last week I had a heating engineer in to mend my boiler. When he’d finished, he went outside onto the patio to write out his bill and he asked if I minded if he had a cigarette. I said I didn’t mind.

A short while later, after he’d left, my neighbour in the flat below the flat below mine came storming up to my door and shoved a jam jar containing a fag butt at me and began ranting about me smoking. I explained I didn’t smoke but tried to apologised for the engineer’s slatternly behaviour (I had no idea he had chucked his fag over the railings and am very cross about that) and said it wouldn’t happen again.

I say `try’ because as soon as he had shoved his jam jar into my hand he stormed off, refusing to listen to me so I was left speaking to his retreating back.

It was very distressing as I don’t know this man and in the year, he has lived in the ground floor flat he has never had any cause for complaint until now.

When you live on your own, especially in these lonely times, any unkindness is exaggerated and I am very distressed. While I could understand it if I made a habit of throwing rubbish onto his terrace, this is certainly not the case, just this one cigarette butt in a year.

Also standing close to me and handing me his personal items during the lockdown when we are meant to be socially distancing seems completely irrational.

I bumped into him yesterday and we said hello. I politely apologised again for the cigarette butt landing on his balcony but explained I was upset by what I considered to be this overreactive behaviour and he just stormed off again while I was trying to speak.

I suffer from bad anxiety as it is with a form of OCD called dermatillomania (skin picking), which has got worse. I know I should be able to shake this off but unfortunately, I am dwelling on it. I’m thinking of writing him a polite note to apologise again but also to explain that I found his behaviour threatening and upsetting and he mustn't come to my door again.

What would any of you do, if anything?

OP posts:
Lausch95 · 16/04/2020 12:17

Just leave it
Don't think any more about it
You've tried and that's that

hellsbellsmelons · 16/04/2020 12:20

he just stormed off again while I was trying to speak
This is NOT threatening behaviour.
It's just twatish behaviour.
Just let it go now.
He was pissed off. I would be too (and I smoke!)

Flusteredcustard · 16/04/2020 12:39

I do feel for you OP, and those who say it was your fault so don't play the victim are missing the point a bit I think. the boiler guy should have stamped it out and taken it away, or carry something around with him to take it away, the only acceptable thing to do with a fag end is dispose of it safely so it causes no problems to anyone. Had it fallen on the ground that would have been wrong, had he left it on your balcony that would have been wrong. it wasn't your fault that he chucked it over. It wasn't wrong of your neighbour to be pissed off. presumably, the boilerman was not a child for whom you had responsibility. But neighbour should have accepted that it wasn't your fault, and maybe you should have said you would pass his feedback onto the littered, you can do that nicely, just say look you put me in a bit of a difficult situation by chucking that fag end over onto grumpy 's balcony, ,maybe another place you visit you could take your fag end away, or you might get direct complaints, I'd not tell the company, just the guy himself

Hanamuslim · 16/04/2020 12:41

It's not the end of the world. You tried to be nice and apologise and explain you didn't know. Which is all well and good. I also have anxiety issues and when I get worked up I suffer with a bad stomach over the smallest things. Don't explain to people their behaviour is wrong and irrational. Just leave it as it is, you did your best and don't get worked up over it.

I used to be a worry wart over people but my husband has a care free attitude and a lot of confidence and its rubbed off a lot on me and helped with my anxiety funny enough.

Leave your neighbour to his own life and you crack on with yours and enjoy your day

RandomSelection · 16/04/2020 12:46

@Rabblemum
As it's your balcony, of course you can allow people to smoke on it. However, I assume he disposes of his butts properly in an ashtray and then disposes of them in your bin and doesn't throw them over the edge?

I don't know how close your neighbours balconies are, but, as someone who is currently in lockdown in an apartment (not my home) in another country, who cannot even go out for exercise, sitting on my tiny balcony is my only pleasure. It's a hot country so I can only sit out there at limited times. My neighbour above is a smoker, he comes out at similar times for the same reason presumably and smokes. The smoke drifts down, it stinks and I have to go back inside! Sad

I haven't even mentioned it because I am sure he is as stressed as I am and since the apartments are non-smoking I understand he needs to go on the balcony but it is inconsiderate to make others smell second hand smoke, even outside. I want to say something as I have as much right to enjoy my balcony as he does, but what can you do in these times, there has to be give and take. Don't know if your boyfriend has considered the impact of his smoking on others. Might not even be an issue in your building, just thought I'd mention it.

Rabblemum · 16/04/2020 12:51

Yes, he uses an ashtray. Most of my neighbours smoke so the smell is just something I live with. I didn’t realise you were in a country with a stricter lockdown than the UK.

Coyoacan · 16/04/2020 12:54

Everyone is stressed at the moment. He is probably stressed too and could well be acting out of character. We have to make allowances for other people at the moment

Quarantimespringclean · 16/04/2020 13:02

I’m glad you are feeling better OP. You were polite and neighbourly to apologise for something you had no control over. If he can’t accept it graciously that’s not your problem.

Longwhiskers14 · 16/04/2020 13:13

I have sympathy for the neighbour. He might have underlying health issues and having a cigarette butt chucked onto his patio that has been in the mouth of someone who potentially could be asymptomatic could've been stressful for him to deal with. He may have felt you were minimising by turning it around and making it about his reaction towards you.

But don't apologise again. Once was enough.

LunaLula83 · 16/04/2020 13:15

Anxiety disease strikes again

Warsawa31 · 16/04/2020 13:16

Just let it go you’ve tried to say sorry he doesn’t want to listen. What else can you do ?

Lynda07 · 16/04/2020 13:27

Your neighbour was over the top, you've done nothing wrong. Things like that happen sometimes and as you say, it was a one off. My goodness what a state your neighbour's mind must be in to carry on like that. He's the one who should apologise but just let it go, it's over.

CHIRIBAYA · 16/04/2020 13:33

Do not apologise again. What's the point? It's not your responsibility to make him feel better. Make better use of your emotional energy to look after yourself and do something focused to take your mind off it.

heartsonacake · 16/04/2020 13:45

YABU and you need to let it go. Of course the cigarette wasn’t your fault, but he wasn’t to know that when he came to your door. He shouldn’t have been shouting, but you aren’t the victim here so stop trying to turn yourself into one.

LookTheOtherWayPlease · 16/04/2020 13:45

but he had to pick up a fag butt, which had been in someone’s mouth.

Would anyone really think to run otuside and scour the area for cigarette butts in this scenario? I would have assumed the engineer disposed of it correctly. And even if he didn't, the neighbours behaviour was OTT.

LookTheOtherWayPlease · 16/04/2020 13:46

you aren’t the victim here

There isn't a victim at all...

SchadenfreudePersonified · 16/04/2020 13:47

I'd give him his jar back.

In fact I'd probably smash it on his balcony.

ravenmum · 16/04/2020 13:50

Would anyone really think to run otuside and scour the area for cigarette butts in this scenario?
It's been sunny, people sit on their balconies, e.g. with sunshades and "garden" chair covers that can get burn holes in when a cigarette drops on them. I've lived in flats for years and they have all had signs warning people not to throw cigarettes off balconies for this reason.

QuacksInTheDark · 16/04/2020 14:24

You didn’t throw the cigarette on his terrace so it’s not your fault. He’s a bullying prick for refusing to listen to you. Stop apologising for something that’s not your fault.

TeaYes · 16/04/2020 14:30

I think it's very telling that he seen this fag end come from your flat but did not come banging your door until he knew the guy was gone and you were on your own.

I mean how else would he know it was from yours?

I must admit I would have told him to fuck off tbh. Sad bastard.

Oh and before people say it, yes smoking is inconsiderate but so are most things in life. No one is guilty free.

I also would have given his pathetic jar back and told him, he brings it to my door again it will be flying at him.

OP, you did nothing wrong! Smile

ThePluckOfTheCoward · 16/04/2020 14:40

Just let it go Op.

RandomSelection · 16/04/2020 14:50

@Rabblemum
Then you've got one of the good guys! Good for him, it's nice to hear! Smile

I'm in Dubai, one person per household allowed out at a time, once every three days for essential provisions only, no exercise, no dog walking. You must have obtained a government permit, stating where you are going, when and for how long. As soon as you go outside you must be wearing mask and gloves at all times. It's about as lockdowned as it gets. But hey, we are safe and healthy, worse things happen at sea... Wink

ifIwerenotanandroid · 16/04/2020 15:08

OP, he completely over-reacted & you'll probably never know why. Let it go & know that you did nothing wrong personally, & you've apologised twice on behalf of the guy who fixed your boiler. That's more than enough to make up for what happened.

If it puts it into perspective, my lovely neighbour entertained a friend in her garden who smoked & upon leaving, the visitor stood up & emptied the whole ashtray over the fence into my garden! My nbr was mortified & came round offering to clean it up. I just laughed, told her not to worry & cleaned it up myself. That's all your neighbour needed to do.

Topseyt · 16/04/2020 15:09

Just start ignoring him. No more apologies. If I am honest I do think that your neighbour's behaviour was unnecessarily inflammatory. He could have just mentioned what he found and asked that it didn't happen again.

It isn't your fault as you weren't to know that boiler engineer would be such and antisocial twat as to fling the fag end over to your neighbour's side. Equally, if you aren't close to your neighbour then he probably doesn't realise that you don't smoke, was pissed off at getting the fag end thrown over and was not in the mood to hear any explanations.

I assume you know the contact details of the boiler man? I would be tempted to get back to him and/or his employer and say that he was seen to throw his cigarette butt over the fence and that it wasn't appreciated. They should know that this sort of thing is bad publicity for them, and will hardly encourage people to use their company in the future.

4cats2kids · 16/04/2020 15:15

He was in the wrong, but leave it or it may escalate.

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