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To laugh out loud at 'The Quiz'

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UnagiSalmonSkinRoll · 14/04/2020 23:02

'Cancel the cheque' GrinGrin

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SharonasCorona · 17/04/2020 09:12

Am I the only one really wanting to know exactly which parts were based an factual occurrences and which bits were made up added or enhanced for dramatic effect?!

Well it left me very uninterested in finding out more!

Peapod29 · 17/04/2020 09:26

This was the most unexpected enjoyable watch. I thought it was such a boring subject for a drama but I was really glued to it. Funny, intriguing, and I loved all those weird quiz enthusiasts and had no idea people were obsessed with the show so much. Also clever that they left it open ended. I always assumed they did it but now I’m not sure! I can’t believe it was ever a police matter tbh, and I can’t believe they were found guilty in a court of law. Given that the court didn’t even have access to the original recording it seems unbelievable that they were essentially convicted based on evidence tampered with by ITV?! Surely just withdrawing the prize would have been sufficient.

Peapod29 · 17/04/2020 09:28

I’m glad to read that the coughing fit in the court room actually did happen Grin.

Dragonglass · 17/04/2020 09:29

Chris Tarrant is convinced that they are guilty. Apparently the prosecution had a very convincing closing argument but the show only showed the defence. He talks about it here www.radiox.co.uk/radio/shows-presenters/chris-moyles/chris-tarrant-beef-quiz-itv-who-wants-millionaire/

Dragonglass · 17/04/2020 09:32

Oh and the major had previously been found guilty of insurance fraud, so he isn't the nice, dope that Quiz made him out to be.

notchickenagain · 17/04/2020 09:34

Watch the Martin Bashra documentary made at the time Peapod. This drama was just a bit of fun!

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 17/04/2020 09:38

Ah, thanks, Michaelbaubles - will take a look.

I loved all those weird quiz enthusiasts and had no idea people were obsessed with the show so much.

I got the impression that they weren't so much obsessed with the quiz element as with the hope of winning a huge amount of money?! I wonder if they'd be quite as passionate if it were their local pub quiz, with a 6-pack of beer and a tub of celebrations at stake!

Pelleas · 17/04/2020 09:45

I wonder if they'd be quite as passionate if it were their local pub quiz, with a 6-pack of beer and a tub of celebrations at stake!

I'd take a punt that some of them would Grin. Some people take all quizzes very seriously indeed, however small - it's the need to be right that matters rather than the prize.

Peapod29 · 17/04/2020 10:18

Ha very true. Either way they were very odd people. Will definitely watch the documentary.

thebear1 · 17/04/2020 10:30

Really enjoyed this, I think the couple were portrayed kindly. From what I recall when they have been interviewed they have come across as less pleasant.

AngryRedhead · 17/04/2020 10:37

I haven’t seen the documentary but apparently it was majorly biased and left out or twisted loads of facts.

I don’t think we’ll ever get a properly neutral look at what happened. Though the comedy-drama is more neutral than the documentary was.

fratellia · 17/04/2020 10:52

well countdown prize is a teapot isn’t it and people take that seriously

Pelleas · 17/04/2020 11:39

The Mastermind prize is a cut glass bowl and only one contestant in the whole series gets one - yet it's one of the longest running and most 'serious' quiz shows. As a general rule in British game shows, the more difficult the questions and format, the lower the value of the prize.

notchickenagain · 17/04/2020 12:48

If you haven't seen the documentary how can you say it was biased! 😄 Watch the documentary and watch the episodes of Charles Ingram. He was a complete duffer in his first episode and his second, well, no innocent person would risk 125, 250, 500 or a million like he did when he was 90% sure of a wrong answer then changed his mind to the right answer. He put the cougher in a really awkward position by continuing. Greed! And they got caught out!

Peapod29 · 17/04/2020 12:59

The problem is the only footage we have has been edited by itv has it not? To make the coughs louder. I think they did cheat but have no idea how you could say beyond reasonable doubt, because there were loads and loads of coughs going on the whole programme. Helen McCrory was great as the barrister.

Tootherty · 17/04/2020 13:00

If I’d been one of the other fastest finger people who got suspicious I’d have developed a cough whenever a wrong answer was read out.

notchickenagain · 17/04/2020 13:33

The only editing was isolating the relevant coughs. That was done because another FFF twigged what was happening. The production team knew he was cheating during the recording but didn't know how. The police could have asked for the unedited tapes I assume?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 17/04/2020 14:07

As a keen quizzer myself, I completely agree that you would want to win and prove yourself right/knowledgeable - but what's the point of cheating to do it? Countdown champions rightly take pride in having won legitimately, but would they really think it worthwhile to cheat and lose their integrity for the sake of getting a teapot and a dictionary? They are token prizes to be put on display so as to testify to your achievement rather than anything particularly valuable or amazing in their own right. I forget which one it was, but I remember a comedian once making a joke about trying really, really hard to win trophies for various things, before he passed by a trophy shop one day and realised that you could just go in and buy them!

The problem is the only footage we have has been edited by itv has it not? To make the coughs louder. I think they did cheat but have no idea how you could say beyond reasonable doubt, because there were loads and loads of coughs going on the whole programme.

Yes, this. Comedy news shows routinely do mash-ups by selectively using footage of famous people and what they say. Any two-bit editor could take a section with somebody saying "I am NOT guilty" and edit out the 'not'. They could even get them saying "100%" from elsewhere in an entirely different context and swap that for the 'not'. I'm reminded of when Smithers mashed up tiny bits from a number of Mr Burns' sentences to have him apparently saying "Hello....Smithers....you're....good....at..turning....me....on!" to sound automatically when he booted up his computer Grin

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 17/04/2020 14:11

If I’d been one of the other fastest finger people who got suspicious I’d have developed a cough whenever a wrong answer was read out.

Yes - me too Grin

Peapod29 · 17/04/2020 14:26

Is it weird that they are trying to overturn the conviction after all this time? I mean if they knew they’d done it why drag it all up again? They’re either completely crackers or possibly innocent.

www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/15/charles-and-diana-ingram-to-challenge-guilty-verdicts-in-millionaire-case

Mamamia456 · 17/04/2020 14:29

In the documentary they show actual footage of one of the FFF contestants not clapping when he wins the million, because he knows they were cheating.

If you watch the actual footage of Charles Ingram it is embarrassing, so obvious that something is going on.

KonTikki · 17/04/2020 14:45

They have nothing to lose by going for an appeal against their conviction.
If they win, they can claim their million.

Personally I think they cheated, but a suspended sentence was the correct result.

chomalungma · 17/04/2020 14:47

They have nothing to lose by going for an appeal against their conviction

Wouldn't they have more court fees to pay?

Pelleas · 17/04/2020 14:48

If they win, they can claim their million.

I don't think it's as simple as that. The decision to pay or withhold the million lies with Celador - that decision isn't part of criminal proceedings. If they won their appeal they'd have to take out separate civil action against Celador and:

a. They are outside the normal timescales for such a claim
b. I would be very surprised if Celador don't have a general clause giving them the right to withhold the prize at their discretion, for any reason they deem valid.

KonTikki · 17/04/2020 15:18

Yes I agree that if they lose an appeal they will almost certainly have to pay the court costs.

The Major has already won several appeals against costs awarded against him from the original trial. He even took one case to the European Court, and won.
If a British court should now rule him innocent I fail to see how Celador can refuse to pay him what would rightfully become his.

And if they don't I'm quite sure that he will happily drag them through the courts to get it. The longer this drags on the more likely he is to win in such a contentious case.

I do feel that Time is very much on his side.

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