disgusted that nurses/carers/doctors are dying for lack of PPE in 6th richest country

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When this is all over (or maybe now) we must hold Boris and team responsible for risking so many lives.

Our health secretary said this -
“We need everyone to treat PPE like the precious resource it is,” he said on Friday. “Everyone should use the equipment they clinically need, in line with the guidelines: no more and no less.”

Nurses, porters, doctors are sacrificing their own safety and Matt Hockock has nerves to say they must not OVERUSE PPE, they dont have PPEs. Why was he chosen for this job when his background is in economics?

From wikipedia -
He studied at Exeter College, Oxford, and graduated with a first in Philosophy, Politics and Economics, and went on to Christ's College, Cambridge, to earn an MPhil degree in Economics.[5][6] Hancock became a member of the Conservative Party in 1999.[7]
After university, Hancock briefly worked for his family's computer software company, before moving to London to work as an economist at the Bank of England, specialising in the housing market.

A doctor who warned Boris a month ago about risks of medical staff working without PPEs has died of corona virus at the age of 53.

In his message to the prime minister, Dr Chowdhury wrote: "Please ensure urgently PPE for each and every NHS health worker in the UK.

"Remember we may be doctors/nurses/HCAs/allied health workers who are in direct contact with patients, but we are also human beings to practice human rights like others, to live in this world disease free with our family and children.

"Otherwise in future our children will lose interest to go to medical school.
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-doctor-who-warned-prime-minister-about-ppe-dies-with-covid-19-11971068

And for those who are going to say I am making it political at the time of crisis, no I am not. I want this government to be accountable for their actions.

Why UK declined EU's offer of collective PPE purchase.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/no-10-boris-johnson-accused-of-putting-brexit-over-breathing-in-covid-19-ventilator-row

It is not beyond the wit of man to rotate stocks. Experts have been predicting this for years : the NHS run a trial in 2016 and it was a disaster the government should have done better planning.

To the person telling us to lodge an official complaint we’d just get told ‘wait till it’s all over, can’t do anything now, you’re not being positive enough’’

@OhTheRoses not much point having a safe nhs job when you are dead of Covid 19 due to lack of/ineffective PPE. We should remember that.

1.4m NHS staff, so far 20 deaths compared to 156 per million in the general population.

Please look at the factual data rather than the union generated left wing hyperbole.

the NHS run a trial in 2016 and it was a disaster the government should have done better planning.

I've found something about the trial here from NHS England:

www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/board-paper-300317-item-10.pdf

The exercise was set 7 weeks into a severe pandemic and the brief was to plan a response to an 'overwhelmed service with reduced staff availability' - 'surge and escalation decision making' - i.e. disaster has already struck, where would you store the extra bodies? At least that's how I am reading it;

"Our preparations for pandemic influenza were exercised in October 2016 with NHS England participating in Exercise Cygnus.The exercise was set seven weeks into a severe pandemic outbreak and challenged the NHS to review its response to an overwhelmed service with reduced staff availability. Plans are currently being revised to incorporate the learning from this exercise and ensure our continued preparedness for future pandemic influenza outbreaks. We are also continuing the challenging work around the management of surge and escalation decision making processes."

To the person telling us to lodge an official complaint we’d just get told ‘wait till it’s all over, can’t do anything now, you’re not being positive enough’’

Keep a diary of incidents.

Everyone needs to stop blaming the government, there is a shortage, that's not their fault!

@ohtheroses can you share your link to that info please.

And to compare deaths you’d need to adjust for age groupings wouldn’t you - otherwise your analysis would be misleading.

Everyone needs to stop blaming the government, there is a shortage, that's not their fault!

Whose fault is it then?

@MogeatDog - just Google worldometer covid 19. You will also see the UK has fewer deaths per million than Spain, Italy, France, etc.

Whose fault is it then? well, noones really. I do think people need to ask why some NHS trusts have plenty and some don't.

clavinova we do indeed complete critical incident forms at the time and root cause analysis then ensues later but would you feel happy risking yourself and and your family 's health without correct ppe ? so easy to be dismissive when you are not directly involved

@OhTheRoses is that 1.4 million frontline clinical staff or does that include admin staff etc who may be working from home?

Tonyaster

It's no one's fault that the NHS has no contingency for this? Ok

Then in that case nursing and medical staff should refuse to look after patients without correct PPE. Let's see how quickly this "nobody" whose fault it isn't manages to get PPE

Hard to know what ohtheroses figures include when there’s no source.

so easy to be dismissive when you are not directly involved

I'm not being dismissive - I think staff should lodge official complaints rather than speak out on social media.

The government are entirely culpable in this. No excuses.

Why do people defend them?

Boris got excellent care; two nurses, plasma from someone in recovery (allegedly) recuperation at his second home outside of London with his partner(allegedly ).

Gove 's daughter has been tested, Hancock was tested etc etc etc

They have been just as self-serving here as at any other time.

Multi-millionaires run this country and further their own situation even in a pandemic.

Many people will die due to this not just because of lack of PPE ☹️

tbh, I'm amazed that only 41 care staff have died.
Some of them may have got it thru community exposure, too.
I feel uncomfortable with informal data gathering methods like Nursing Notes does, it's so anecdotal.

I seem to recall the death rate for HCWs during Ebola outbreak was carnage, like 30% of all health care staff in some communities.

I'm not being dismissive - I think staff should lodge official complaints rather than speak out on social media.

But NHS management know the situation. Official complaints aren't making any difference are they? Staff do need to speak out so that we, the public, can pressure the government to do something about this

there should be enough staff to rotate their time wearing it.

This is a huge issue, so so many nursing staff are off sick and self-isolating. One group they've turned to are the student nurses. They have woefully overestimated how many would say yes. From the 18k nationwide only 5.5k have said yes (I'm not judging stating facts). Retired nurses & GP's, most should probably be shielding, have returned to practice back, non-nursing health care professionals are being retrained to undertake nursing roles (that's how they're resourcing the nightingale hospital's).

As a final yr student nurse, I've remained on placement since before the lock-down. And oh boy I've witnessed the organised chaos and been verbally abused by Snr nurses for random reasons. The PPE was initially being rationed by senior management. The restrictions & rationing has mostly been lifted, in response to the high volume of staff absence. If we get the predicted patient volumes, then I suspect the restrictions and rationing will be reintroduced over the coming weeks.

I was due to qualify in September and now there is talk of being qualified as soon as July. I'm not in a hurry to qualify and I'm happy to help, develop my skills and delay qualifiying. Right now I don't feel ready, I'm no longer supernumary and I won't get the final 12 week management training of my degree, so I don't understand how I'm going to be ready to qualify in July 🤔

I've digressed a little, so let me refocus, as long as I'm not being pushed into unsafe practice and have adequate PPE I will continue to turn up.

If I turn up to shift and there's no PPE I will be opting out and retreating to the safety of my home to sit out the remainder of the pandemic.

I agree that they are as self serving as ever. And the same old names pop up on here time and time again defending them. Hate to bring up the brexit word but I thought the whole idea of brexit was to enable us to bring our own elected representatives to account rather than 'shady officials' in brussels and yet suddenly the tory brexit cheerleaders are now telling us we 're moaning, not positive enough, making it political....

Official complaints aren't making any difference are they?

You haven't lodged a complaint. Do you know anyone who has? Some hospitals/hospital trusts are better managed than others, we know that already - you need to lodge a complaint with your particular hospital/hospital trust first.

Boris got excellent care...

I don't know why anyone would want the prime minister or members of the cabinet out of action at a time like this.

If I turn up to shift and there's no PPE I will be opting out and retreating to the safety of my home to sit out the remainder of the pandemic.

Fair enough - I don't blame you.

Consrvatives will blame you for bring unwilling to lay down your life in the service of others.